Repos are Rumored to be one the way.

If they Repo them (repo = repossess) that means there will be even less of them out there, which actually would be a good thing.

OP - put the regular sized flippers on your game as that was what the game was designed with.

So someone DID try to repro these a few years ago, but they ended up being garbage, and breaking within games of installation.

Rick has said he is currently working on these a few months back, so hopefully they will appear soon.

It took me about a year or so to get the 3 I needed to complete my set for DW. Bought a couple off of a pinsider here, and was very lucky to have another person send me one.

Keep posting WTB posts, and you will get em!

Fish Tales, Dr Who, Bram Stoker's Dracula...several others were designed to have lightning flippers. Sadly on my BSD I have 1 lightning & 1 regular.

That is not true at all. I worked with all those people who designed those games and NONE of them were designed with them, they were put on after the fact. The story is well documented throughout the years. It was a marketing decision to try and shorten ball times with the thought that it would increase revenue. It failed. The idea came from the largest EU distributor of pinball at the time used to put those on all his games overseas claiming it made the ops more money. All it really did was make good games play shitty.

Ft should always be played with lightning flippers IMO. They make the game brutally tough. I will admit that I have thought about replacing them with normal ones jsut so I can do better.

MXV +1

IMO... I don't think the shorter flipper matters much on DW. It's usually the outlanes that get me. Hopefully, I'll get a BSD some day...tough to find at a reasonable price.
faz

I actually find DW easier with lightning flippers. Not sure if it is because I am used to them or not, but I can hit my ramp shots all day long with them. Standard flippers.....not so much.

Sold with != designed for

I stand corrected. Somebody ask Mark Ritchie just in case...wasn't FT the first one to have those? Maybe I'll get those blood red flippers for my BSD now instead.

The short ones make shooting the center targets, especially the lock one, much riskier than it was designed to be but I agree, the outlanes in DW are BRUTAL. They are big gaping wounds that swallow pinballs. Great game though!

Lightning Bolt Flipper bats now on the store (YELLOW, WHITE, BLACK, RED (regular red, not blood red) 20-9734-X

http://www.planetarypinball.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=PP&Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=FB

These are injected parts, so there should no issues as had experienced with a previous incarnation of them.

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Great news! Thanks Rick!
faz

Does regular rubber fit these or are they a different size?

regular flipper rubber fits fine.

Lighting flippers do change the dynamics of the game for sure. I was tempted to remove them several times, I am glad I left them. To me it is similar to STTNG outlanes, the extra bit of challenge forces you to step up your game and learn play with the disadvantage, over time improving your overall game. It suck at first, but with time you won't even remember it has shorter flippers, you just play it

Only a few games, though, were routed with lightning flippers (whether it was designed for that or not). I have to say, playing BSD without lightning flippers just feels cheap. The game is significantly harder and more satisfying with them on. Out of curiosity, I ran a poll to see how people set-up their BSD. 68 pinsiders responded... 82% have lightning flippers. That's a fairly significant push in one direction...

Interesting, are those made with a new tool that you own or one that originally was owned by WEG/WMS?

I had the chance to chat with Python about this when he signed my Fish Tales. He told me to "rip those damn things off and throw them in the trash" I didn't, but have thought about it.

I looked for months for these stupid things, just paid double for a dirty crusty pair of them and now this. Figures.

I swapped the lightnings with the standard flips back and forth in my BSD for two weeks straight, trying to decide what to keep in the game. I don't care what the game was designed for, BSD is more fun to "me" with Lightning flippers. I hope Rick can get the "Blood-Red" color sorted out so I can put a set in my game soon

Karma for wanting to ruin your game with those little pieces of crap

Do you have an rss feed on threads discussing lightning flippers? You're the definition of vocal minority.

But that doesn't make what I say any less true. I don't care if the sheeple want to ruin their games with those crappy little flippers and pretend we still live in a time when marketing ruined perfectly good games but I do have issue with incorrect information being spread around like when people start spouting off nonsense like "they were designed to have those lightning flippers on them" when in fact they were not.

+1. I'm not seeing the benefit of these and wont be adding them.

I have them on sorcerer.. and think they are great.

I like them for the raised lightning bolt. The longer flippers don't look as cool.

faz

I'm simple. I like my games how they shipped. If lightning flippers are too hard, I'd rather just get better at pinball.

If you ever find it in the wild or in a tournament, it will have lightning flippers on it. To me it's like moving the outlanes all the way closed, if you ever discuss a high score, there will always have to be an asterisk next to it.

Well said.

Do you have any LED's in your games?

I like lightning flips on FT because that is how I grew up playing it (yes the exact game which I bought from the bar a bit back and restored). It also make it super challenging.

I do in a couple. Like Family Guy and Guns N Roses. Yes, it's not exactly how they shipped, but it doesn't change the play at all. The lightning flippers do.

But, I have LEDS in a small percentage of my games.

So then you don't like your games as shipped. You like them to play crappy and look that way too. I rest my case.

Yah, you're right. I'm a hypocrite. I hate 99% of the mods out there, but that 1%, that'll really ruin a game from how it was meant to be played.

Is the upper flipper (3rd) on Black Rose a lightning bolt as well or just the lower flippers? I would think not as I don't see the purpose with that flipper.

That one was regular

Fine, you convinced me, now where do I buy blood red fulls?!

That's a very good question! I think they've been unavailable for some time which is a real crime! I thought that PPS was going to be remaking them though so maybe they will have some soon?

oh man, what a kill joy!

Why the hate for lightning flippers again? Is it just because the designers didn't design the game with them? Added difficulty?

If a game comes with them, leave the dMn things on! Lightning flippers rock