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Yelling Fire in a crowded Arcade

By Mr68

1 year ago


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    #1 1 year ago

    Is it fair to compare one pinball manufacturer's history to another? Especially using hysterical theateractrics to make a point?

    Haggis Pinball has had and continues to have, growing pains. They're still way behind schedule but they are shipping games, slowly but surely. Thats kind of how Jersey Jack started out, isn't it? We could even draw some comparisons of Haggis to present day Dutch Pinball, couldn't we.

    But did anyone compare Haggis to JJP or Dutch Pinball during the dark times? No they didn't and just a few months ago the redundant cry on Pinside and podcasts was, (paraphrasing) "It's another Heighway Pinball scam!!", "Panic everybody, its Deeproot all over again" “Haggis has gone silent just like Heighway Pinball” “Red flags everybody, disaster is imminent!”

    Cherry-picking items and jumping to conclusions based on scant evidence and hearsay, does not support your theory. Each company is unique unto itself and should be evaluated as such.
    And you gotta love those people that so confidently say, "You have to study history". - OK, which history?, the failures or the successes?

    Here's an warning thread from 8 months ago associating Haggis with Heighway.
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/is-haggis-the-next-heighway-pinball-poll-inside

    #2 1 year ago

    Congratulations for being way behind schedule.

    #3 1 year ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Congratulations for being way behind schedule.

    You mean like Stern, Chicago Gaming, and many others?

    #4 1 year ago
    Quoted from Mr68:

    You mean like Stern, Chicago Gaming, and many others?

    Sure; or deeproot & Skit B.

    I guess everyone should just say absolutely nothing and not talk until a company has been around 10 years.

    I'll set a timer!

    #5 1 year ago

    I saw this thread open up and immediately thought “alright who’s gonna post first, the law or Levi, the law or Levi?”

    The Law wins again! Keep hitting refresh on the main page and watch for brand new threads to play along!

    #6 1 year ago
    Quoted from Mr68:

    Is it fair to compare one pinball manufacturer's history to another?

    Yes, full stop.

    The history of pinball is littered with failure more than success.

    #7 1 year ago

    Dutch Pinball is the furthest behind when you think about it. Even today they are several years behind for some of their customers. 8 years?

    #8 1 year ago

    I like playing pinball.

    #9 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Yes, full stop.
    The history of pinball is littered with failure more than success.

    On the failure side I count,

    Zidware
    SkiB
    Heighway
    Deeproot
    Vonnie D - No customers lost money
    Suncoast
    (Please feel free to add as I'm sure I'm missing one or two)

    On the successful side I count:

    American Pinball
    Chicago Gaming Company
    Dutch Pinball
    Haggis Pinball
    Homepin Taiwan Co. Ltd. (Ha ha)
    Jersey Jack Pinball
    Multimorphic Inc
    Quetzal Pinball
    Spooky Pinball
    Pinball Brothers

    Edited: I took Stern Pinball off

    #10 1 year ago

    Ok

    #11 1 year ago
    Quoted from Mr68:

    On the failure side I count,
    Zidware
    SkiB
    Deeproot
    Vonnie D - No customers lost money
    Suncoast
    (Please feel free to add as I'm sure I'm missing one or two)
    On the successful side I count:
    American Pinball
    Chicago Gaming Company
    Dutch Pinball
    Haggis Pinball
    Homepin Taiwan Co. Ltd. (Ha ha)
    Jersey Jack Pinball
    Multimorphic Inc
    Quetzal Pinball
    Spooky Pinball
    Pinball Brothers
    Edited: I took Stern Pinball off

    Need to go further back, I used the term "history" deliberately.

    #12 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Need to go further back, I used the term "history" deliberately.

    I've been talking about modern day, but you go ahead and present your evidence. And my comparisons are for scam type companies which Haggis was accused of being.

    And BTW. Bally, Williams, Gottlieb, Midway, Capcom all closed their doors and would not be included here.

    #13 1 year ago
    Quoted from Mr68:

    On the failure side I count,
    Zidware
    SkiB
    Deeproot
    Vonnie D - No customers lost money
    Suncoast
    (Please feel free to add as I'm sure I'm missing one or two)
    On the successful side I count:
    American Pinball
    Chicago Gaming Company
    Dutch Pinball
    Haggis Pinball
    Homepin Taiwan Co. Ltd. (Ha ha)
    Jersey Jack Pinball
    Multimorphic Inc
    Quetzal Pinball
    Spooky Pinball
    Pinball Brothers
    Edited: I took Stern Pinball off

    You reminded me to make the new pinball manufacturers thread. It’s an updated version of the old one that’s stickied.

    Current list of companies, successes, scams and the defunct is now up.

    Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

    This thread is intended to keep an updated list of companies which produce viable pinball machines commercially. Included are pinball tech and design companies.
    The current list as it stands:
    • Stern: www.sternpinball.com
    • Jersey Jack: www.jerseyjackpinball.com
    • American Pinball: https://www.american-pinball.com/
    • Haggis: https://haggispinball.com/
    • Pinball Brothers: https://www.pinballbrothers.com/
    • Chicago Gaming Company: https://www.chicago-gaming.com/
    • Quetzal Pinball (Spain): www.quetzalpinball.com
    • Bitronic (Spain): https://bitronic.es/
    • Multimorphic http://www.multimorphic.com/
    • Dutch Pinball http://www.dutchpinball.com/
    • Riot Pinball http://riotpinball.com/
    • Spooky Pinball http://www.spookypinball.com/
    • Homepin http://www.homepin.com/abouttag.html
    • Team Pinball (UK)
    • Pedretti Gaming (Italy)
    • For Amusement Only Games https://drainedpinball.com
    New Pinball Tech
    • Pinball Controllers: www.pinballcontrollers.com
    • Multimorphic: http://www.multimorphic.com/
    • CobraPin Boards:
    Some possibilities but no proof yet:
    • Turner (New company formed with deeproot assets)
    • STR pinball: https://angelsanddemons.strpinball.com/
    • Scandinavian Pinball https://scandinavianpinball.com/troll-the-pinball-machine/
    • Pinball Adventures
    Dead/Abandoned/No know production:
    • Pavlov Pinball
    • Silver Castle Pinball
    • Tilt Warning Customs (They seem to just do custom re-themes, not a manufacturer)
    • Marsaplay
    • Whizbang: http://whizbangpinball.blogspot.com/
    Huge scams:
    • Skit-B
    • J-pop (anything post-2010)
    • Vonnie D.
    • deeproot (which hadn’t even made it on the list 6 years ago)
    Defunct:
    • Heighway
    • Retro Pinball
    • Suncoast Pinball

    Regardless of how I feel about Haggis barely making games, they have shipped machines and therefor are legitimate until they stop delivering.

    #14 1 year ago
    Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

    Regardless of how I feel about Haggis barely making games, they have shipped machines and therefor are legitimate until they stop delivering.

    Nobody is happy about the pace of Haggis at making games, including Haggis. But that large shipment to Europe recently put many people at ease.

    Will Haggis make it to completion and continue on after that? I don't know.
    I'm hopeful and optimistic for them but anything can happen.

    #15 1 year ago

    How did you miss heighway on the fail side?

    #16 1 year ago
    Quoted from Mr68:

    Here's an warning thread from 8 months ago that everybody hog piled on.

    I think it's a bit inaccurate to say that "everybody hog piled on" when talking about a thread with 22 total posts by about a dozen folks.

    #17 1 year ago
    Quoted from RCA1:

    I think it's a bit inaccurate to say that "everybody hog piled on" when talking about a thread with 22 total posts by about a dozen folks.

    Change the title to "Yelling gangbang in a brothel."

    #18 1 year ago
    Quoted from Pinstein:

    How did you miss heighway on the fail side?

    Thanks, I've added it to the list.

    Quoted from RCA1:

    I think it's a bit inaccurate to say that "everybody hog piled on" when talking about a thread with 22 total posts by about a dozen folks.

    Yeah, I gotta agree with you, that's a little over the top for that thread. But on Pinside in general and even in the Haggis thread we felt unfairly hogpiled on.

    No matter, I will edit my comment. Thanks for keeping me straight.

    #19 1 year ago

    Dang, I thought GEX had another Node Board Burn up in A Batman 66! The last time that happened I was the one doin the yelling.

    #20 1 year ago

    Why this whole topic. I am just happy anyone is making pinball, even those trying and failing, and knowing how hard it is I give anyone credit who has the cajones to give it a go. If one decides to throw in their fortunes with unproven companies or things that haven’t shipped, you do it with open eyes.

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