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YCV - Recel Lady Luck restoration

By Arcane

7 years ago


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#51 7 years ago

The rails are originally set with Phillips screws. I have to congratulate Petacos for that clever way of assembling their rails. There is no risk of damaging the rails during the dis-assembly and no risk of scratching them during the re-assembly. The rails are in very good condition and forty years later, the stainless steel is perfect.
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The rails are treated with Collinite 850 which is a cleaner, wax and sealant for metals. The bonus is that your fingers will leave practically no trace. I use Collinite products line for my cars (845) and I like their products. This is commercial/industrial quality.
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Of course, the screws are brand new. No need to re-use the old stuff, which was not chrome plated......

Yves

#52 7 years ago

Final little trick: On all my pinball machines, I secure a spare key under the cabinet.
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Yves

#53 7 years ago

The playfield is also being re-assembled, after cleaning up carefully all the parts and replacing all the bulbs with fresh new ones. Fresh rubber, fresh bulbs....it is all very sensual....
I am letting you enjoy the pictures:
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Yves

#54 7 years ago
Quoted from Arcane:

The rails are originally set with Phillips screws. I have to congratulate Petacos for that clever way of assembling their rails. There is no risk of damaging the rails during the dis-assembly and no risk of scratching them during the re-assembly. The rails are in very good condition and forty years later, the chrome plating is perfect.

The rails are treated with Collinite 850 which is a cleaner, wax and sealant for metals. The bonus is that your fingers will leave practically no trace. I use Collinite products line for my cars (845) and I like their products. This is commercial/industrial quality.

Of course, the screws are brand new. No need to re-use the old stuff, which was not chrome plated.
Yves

Interesting. I removed the side rails on my pin I am reworking and I am going to reinstall the rails with #4 stainless steel screws. My rails are stainless steel, as well, and I just bought a buffing setup to polish them. Will this Collinite 850 cut down fingerprints on stainless?

#55 7 years ago

I hope it will. Collinite 845 cuts a lot of finger prints on my black car, so I am placing a lot of hopes in the 850 for metal.

Yves

#56 7 years ago

Tonight, mostly verification that all GI bulbs are working as expected and building of the vessel for the Evapo-Rust.
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$30 of PVC and glue..... What a rip off at Home depot. Building materials have become so expensive in the last 10 years, it is ridiculous. I hope American workers are learning to re-use and recuperate a lot of materials, now. The years of waste and no-concerns about the cost of living are well behind us.
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Hopefully, this tube will stay up right. Otherwise, I will have to glue it on a plate/anchor.

The playfield is now fully assembled with the exceptions of the top and bottom which have parts that require a good soaking into the Evapo-Rust.

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Those #44 are providing plenty of light.
Yves

#57 7 years ago

Yeah, that PVC glue is priced higher than a cat's back.

That play field is looking nice.

#58 7 years ago

Today, re-insertion of the board into the cabinet.
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For the apron, I pushed the insanity to print a series of cards in Spanish: Do you think I need some medication?
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The cabinet is ready. I will put back the coin door, once all the rusted parts are clean again.
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That is all for today.
Yves

#59 7 years ago

Finishing the playfield. Installation of the pop bumpers with all new parts from Marco Specialties and LED circuits for a more homogeneous glow of the Pop Bumpers.
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Looking a lot crispier and cleaner than the old bumpers from 40 years ago.

The ejection mechanism just spent the night in Evapo-Rust and received a fresh coat of Collinite 850 as a waxing.
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The playfield terminated and ready to play another 50,000 games.....
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Close-up on the Spanish instructions card:
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I hope you enjoy.
Yves

#60 7 years ago

Time for the first trials:
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A push on the credit button and all reels reset correctly, lights came up, first ball in play (bottom left) is on and first Player (bottom right) is also on. Ball is fed to the shooting lane. First player reel is lighted. It is starting to look good....

Slight disappointment with the LEDs in the pop bumpers: one is greenish than the others. It is a common problem with LEDs, but it is irritating. I may have to purchase a few and find two that match closely.

Yves

#61 7 years ago

What a fantastic job you are doing. Pure love for pinball is what it is. Looks great!

#62 7 years ago

It is looking fantastic.

#63 7 years ago

I just completed the assembly of the coin door. I always dread this stage as I do not take enough pictures and always go too fast when taking it apart. The order of assembly is most of the times tricky and needs to be carefully studied. This time, I had a few parts left.... It seems to work fine, though....
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I used my bottle of Collinite 850 to clean up and wax the door and the various parts. Lots of elbow grease goes into it. Coin doors are the most vulnerable part of the pinball, with beers spilled to express one's frustration, anger for a stolen coin with no play and temptation to break into it and get to the coin box.
I think I put everything together, the way it is supposed to be:
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The coin door is equipped with two quarter rejection device: one from Canada and one from the USA. Both are working fine and I had to change the micro switch on the Canada side....
The coin door is connected to the main harness through Jones Plugs as usual. The two wires are the lights for the coin door.
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Inserting a coin credits a play on both chutes. I play all my pinballs with coins. I think it leaves you with a little bit more challenge and excitement, than knowing you can credit as many plays as you would like. Over the course of a few years, the boxes are filling up. I will use that money for my retirement.... It is safer than the Stock Market.
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I have an old Gottlieb coin box but need to find a lid for it.....hint hint.

Yves

#64 7 years ago

Yves I'm stunned with what you've done with her! It's a pleasure to have been associated with that game. Well done sir!

Bob

#65 7 years ago

Bob,

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to own such rare machine. There are still some electrical issues that I need to look into, but overall the pinball plays quite well. I am glad you like it.

Sincerely,
Yves

#66 7 years ago

Just a few details tonight: The lock bar has been cleaned, waxed with Collinite 850 and a new beer strip installed.
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The right rail is finally installed after being polished a little bit to remove some fine scratches:
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I may come back and try to polish it again, once I get the appropriate tool. The left rail is perfect, but not the right. I will also replace the flipper buttons since Marco sells them in white.
The glass is heavily scratched and will have to be replaced entirely. We are getting there.....

Yves

#67 7 years ago

Whoa! That rail and coin door sure shines. Can't wait to see it on all fours.

#68 7 years ago

Folks,

the cosmetic restoration is almost completed. I am waiting for some detail parts from The Pinball Resource and Marco Specialties to finish the machine.

I have started looking into some electrical issues (sometimes the machine behaves erratically) and this will take some time and not be very conducive to exciting pictures. I am also looking for someone who can help me get started in the world of EM electric mazes. I have done multiple early Solid State machines before, but this being my first EM is kind of a challenge. The diagnostics function of the early SS pinballs is worth a million dollars.

Yves

#69 7 years ago

Just a few details for today, so to keep the BLOG active..... I replaced the flipper buttons with new parts from Marco. I supposed that after 40 years of faithful and loyal services, the originals could take a rest. I also added the 25C / 1 Play sticker on the coin door (The Pinball Resource).
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Little details....but of importance.

Yves

#70 7 years ago

Folks,

This restoration has come to a screeching halt, due to some electrical problems. I have spent a few white nights chasing a couple of issues with absolutely no success. I have described my issues in this thread: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/i-need-your-help-lady-luck-by-recelgottlieb-based

I am giving up for the time being as it seems that no one in The Triangle Area is willing to help, even with financial compensation. The machine is completely based on Gottlieb design and parts, even their schematics are identical to Gottlieb schematics. With the success of Gottlieb machines and their proliferation in the field, I thought more people would know how to maintain them. I suppose this is a skill that has been lost.

I will shrink wrap that machine and store it until I feel the energy to try to debug it again. It is a really a sad story and it has disgusted me from EM machines. The Solid State pinballs are a breeze in comparison.

End of the story.
Yves

#72 7 years ago

Hello Yves,

I bought a machine like yours two weeks ago and received it this week. Now I am only changing plastics, rubbers, bumpers, etc. Since it is my first repair of an EM, I decided not to go directly to the circuit repair, but to start by seeing some related videos and read some fundamental texts, which you may already know.

Namely, I started by these fantastic videos of Youtube: "The Pinball Torture Test" ( https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5ZsQkzymZZ_InKOA6f_PZxnm1mhPhp4t ), where several tests are made on a Gottlieb EM machine and problems explained and solutions presented, and also "Electromechanical (EM) Pinball Basics & Repairs" ( https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5ZsQkzymZZ-kMhCdlCKLZyw_KidWeSCS ).

After I will read the book "Pinball Machine Maintenance", by Henk De Jager (referred as the best book about repairing electro-mechanical pinball machines at http://www.flippers.be/books/book_flipperservice.html - you can get it from http://www.pbresource.com/books.html ) and also "Tilt: The Pinball Book : Home Maintenance, History, Hot Tips" (you can get it in amazon). You can also see this book: http://www.beerorkid.com/pin/Pin-care-maintenance.pdf .

Finally, there is also superb stuff on the manual (with several pictures) on http://www.pinrepair.com/em/ and also on http://danny.cdyn.com/russTSG.htm .

Only after getting all this information, will I turn on the machine and try to repair it.

I hope this information will help you. After the reading of these books, I think that, if you agree, we can change some ideas about some problems and try (hopefully) to solve them together.

Best regards and good Luck with the Lady,

Pinus

#73 7 years ago

Many thanks Pinus for comforting me and helping me.
I am in the process of moving right now and will get back to that silly machine in a few weeks, when I have more time to dedicate to it.
The list you provided is very good and I will make sure to read all the materials and watch the videos.

Please start a BLOG for your machine, if you have not done it already. I am very curious about what you got.

Thanks
Yves

#74 7 years ago

Hi Yves,

I am still waiting for some material and I must read the Pinball books I referred before. Only after this, I will put my hands on the machine and post some information about it.

Best regards,

Pinus

1 month later
#75 7 years ago

The electrical restoration is still going on, slowly and painfully. In order to revive this thread I will be adding URL links to the various electrical issues I have had to deal with and their solutions. Hopefully, this information can help another owner, one day.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/where-to-find-contact-blades-1000-points-relay-gottlieb-1976
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/lady-luck-issue-1-10k-reel-not-incrementing-after-9000

Yves

2 weeks later
#76 7 years ago

The machine is still not fully operational, but I have decided to stop my repairs (or attempts to repair) and to instead play it a little bit.
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Here it is, sitting next to Xenon and Medusa.
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Hope you enjoy.
Yves

#77 7 years ago
Quoted from Arcane:

The machine is still not fully operational, but I have decided to stop my repairs (or attempts to repair) and to instead play it a little bit.

Here it is, sitting next to Xenon and Medusa.

Hope you enjoy.
Yves

No matter what, it sure looks nice

3 months later
#78 7 years ago

The Lady Unluck is finally fully operational. It has now regained its original name of "Lady Luck".

The machine was tweaked by John Clements in Raleigh who figured out why it was not switching to Ball 2, 3 ,4 and 5 and Player 1, 2, 3, or 4.

Yesterday, I fixed the coin issue which was not incrementing the replay counter. Inserting coins credits accordingly the replay counter, now.
I also found the issue with the knocker not signalling a Free Play upon scoring the expected amount of points.

The machine is finally up to speed and I can enjoy it fully.

Yves

#79 7 years ago

I just stumbled onto this thread today. I am impressed with your restoration of the back box and cabinet. Very well done

John is a good guy. He got my first pin working.

Phil

#80 7 years ago

Love me some Lady Luck so this is a cool thread to happen across!

#81 7 years ago

Fantastic job !

#82 7 years ago

Lady Luck in good company.....
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Yves

#83 7 years ago

Last improvement on the replay counter. I do not know about you, but in low ambient light (dark room), the replay counter is pretty much unreadable. Since I like to keep track of it, I installed a socket and a #47 bulb.
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It helps a lot and allows an easy reading before re-inserting some quarters.

Yves

3 months later
#84 6 years ago

Hello Yves, this is a fantastic restore thread!!!

Your pictures are incredible, even when work in progress.

Can you better describe what was fixed on the game? There is another one in Toronto that has a similar issue, where it goes straight to game over.

#85 6 years ago

Cabinet looks great! Nice job.

#86 6 years ago

I am not sure about what was done on the game as I left Lady Luck with the local specialist in Raleigh, NC. My understanding is that nothing was replaced or repaired.... It was basically just a tedious work to go through all the switches and tighten the two screws that are holding the contacts banks. The person who did it spent a good deal of time and finally managed to make it work.

I still have one issue: occasionally, the 100,000 points counter reel will not increment. It does it for all players which leads me to think it is not a problem with the reels themselves but more the 100K relay. I believe there is a capacitor on that relay and it may need to be replaced after 40 some years.... I will try to get to it one of these days. It is a frustrating issue that has prevented me from scoring free games, many times.

Another weakness of these machines are the cold solders. I would go through all the wires (especially the wires around the motor) and make sure that you do not have a cold solder on some of the contacts. If you do, just re-heat and add some fresh solder and it should work perfectly. I have fixed at least 3 or 4 occurrences of cold solder on the motor and on the 1,000 relay.

This machine is extremely similar in design and working to a 4 players Gottlieb pinball. If you can find someone who has the knowledge of maintaining Gottlieb 4 players machines, he/she should be able to help you out.

Good luck.
Yves

2 years later
#87 4 years ago

Hello Yves. Digging up this old thread. This is an absolutely beautiful job. By chance do you have a picture of how you mounted your bulb socket on the credit unit? I’m trying to add one to my World Fair. The credit units look similar but I’m not having any luck getting the area to light up bright enough. I can’t find the right spot to mount the socket. Thanks.

#88 4 years ago

Yes, I will see if I can take a picture. It may be a while as it is not exactly easy to reach.....

Thanks
Yves

#89 4 years ago
Quoted from Arcane:

Yes, I will see if I can take a picture. It may be a while as it is not exactly easy to reach.....
Thanks
Yves

Great, thank you very much.

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