Im an x-men owner really trying to like avengers on route currently (as in writing this post between turns). .. and its just not happening. Point -> x-men

He doesn't like it because the shot are tight and the Wolverine character gets in his way. Making the game to hard for him.

Oh yah....and he also sold it at a fire sale price. Loosing mucho money.

He has been a miserable hater ever since.

Lesson learned.

Do not buy a expensive game unless you have played it first.

XMEN is the better game, but both these machines are missing the magic. They just don't have it.

Xmen is really hard,& Avengers really sucks. That is all.

Ok....how should I insult you indirectly? People that may or may not have egg in their name end up in a lot of xmen thread going on about how much the game sucks, sure do have a lot of time to waste on a game they claim to hate. Its sad when people just can't admit that they are unable to play a game well, because the game is above their skill level.....Oh well.

As a Magneto owner, I agree the game is missing some magic. That does not mean it is bad, but it is not stellar. I don't subscribe to the philosophy that every game I own is "the best game ever"

X MenLE is a decent game, and I enjoy playing it from time to time, but Stern games like ACDC Premium, Iron Man, and Metallica Master of Puppets are more captivating, generating more YES! I GOT IT! moments.

I find X Men LE intriguing to play and enjoy the shot patterns and the goals, particularly trying to get as many heroes started/collected before going into Magneto multiball. I like the changing lighting effects, and really am not as annoyed by the character sounds as some people seem to be. I like the Villain objectives.

The biggest thing to me is that there are no explosive crescendos in the game or anything that gets my adrenaline racing. It is sort of a monotone story.

As I stated in the X Men sound thread, it will be interesting to see how that pans out.

I didn't post on this question since I know nothing of the X-Men game but since people are posting their thoughts on one or the other, I thought I would give my $.02 on AVLE.

First, I and my wife absolutely love the Avengers series of movies, so the theme really calls out to us. When we are playing, she will play AVLE all night. Hard shots or not, she manages to thoroughly enjoy playing it and she is getting pretty good at it considering 6 months ago, she hit both flippers whenever the ball came close to them. Last night, she collected 5 of 6 Avengers on one game and was really pumped (and crushed when she couldn't quite collect BW). With the game set on easy, any level player can enjoy it and get multiball play.

Seeing as both games are close in price, both have lovers and haters on here, maybe you should consider theme as the deciding factor???

Haha...let it go, man....look, we like the game more than most people do - but it's never gonna get IM respect or demand. Neither is X-Men for that matter. Both are flawed in this way or that way. Much fun can be had - but those little irksome things are just there, ya know? A few little nitpicky things can keep a game from having that "classic magic".

Dude, you devalued the game by a solid grand while admitting you don't really know what you're talking about in the same breath. Did you expect a pat on the ass and an "'Atta boy!"?

Perhaps a slight exaggeration on my part...It can go the other way, sure....but seriously, people HATED IM in 2010...and look at it now. There are 500 fewer AV LE's and the Avengers theme is pretty damn solid. If the same amount of newbs enter the hobby in the next few years as have since 2010...and if they like the theme and make up three own minds, well, I think alot of these people will like Avengers. The question is will they ever get to play it in good shape. IM was everywhere on route so was eventually able to convert people. People are going to have to play Avengers LE's in homes and at shows, which'll certainly impact exposure.

Good point, I don't have any pinsiders in my area code with an Avengers, there was not one at Allentown either so I may never get my hands on one.

I have to reiterate that some have said, IMO XMLE is a good game, not great. It's like Fantasy football, there are maybe 15-20 guys anyone in their right mind would love to own, but there are also plenty of *solid* players to fill out the rosters, XMLE is like the second or third round pick not the best but not bad.

Oh man, we need a fantasy pinball draft thread.... I will take hardbody with my first round selection

Loki MB is fairly difficult to beat and not particularly high scoring at all....if this is your strategy on Avengers I'll slice you to ribbons.

MM is Peyton Manning they're both older than dirt but good.

I don't know what you would be looking for to consider a game deep, and I don't know what version of code you have played, but I think X-men is very, very, deep.

Varied Modes - lots (check) (you mentioned that, but you did not mention how the modes are really varied)
Wizard modes (check)
Lots of multiballs (check)
Combos (check)
Hidden objectives, and characters (check)

IMO, X-men has its faults, but code depth is not one of them.

10 heroes (including Gambit and NC)

8 villains (including Magneto)