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Xenon on a budget. The budget officially blown


By timab2000

3 months ago



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#1 3 months ago

I started a post awhile back about trying to refresh a Xenon project on a budget. Well as luck would have it, the temptation was too great and I broke the budget.

Really don't know for sure what I spent, but it was more than planned. No surprise there. So here are some before and afters. Game plays great and been having lots of fun with it.

Here are some highlights. Enjoy!

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#2 3 months ago

It looks great! Nice work!

#3 3 months ago

Fantastic Result!

You can always save money on the next one. . . (or not!)

#4 3 months ago

Budget?..... What is the Budget thing you speak of?

Well done, Ive been down this road a few time myself.

#5 3 months ago

Budgets? Where we're going we don't need...budgets.

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#6 3 months ago

Outstanding resurrection!!
Thank you for sharing your contrasting B&A pics!
~Steveo

#7 3 months ago

Thanks for all the nice comments, it greatly appreciated.

There's a lot of work that goes into redoing one of these, but it sure is fun to do.

On to the next one.......

#8 3 months ago

Turned out great! And now it's just that much more fun to play, isn't it?

#9 3 months ago

Glad u got it finished. Looks great and goes good with the EK u restored. Thanks again on the advice u gave me with my EK hardtop and stencils.

#10 89 days ago

Great job!

#11 89 days ago
Quoted from eagle18:

Thanks again on the advice u gave me with my EK

No worries. Glad I could help you out. I think you will enjoy that Hardtop.

Quoted from dothedoo:

Turned out great! And now it's just that much more fun to play, isn't it?

Yeah has really been a fun game. I had never played the game before at all, until I refinished it

#12 89 days ago

Actually got a lot of help from fellow Pinsiders.

CPR playfield from "gregh" in Canada somewhere.

Nice backglass from "Zablon" in good old Iowa. He's working on the sound boards too.

"Vid1900" for some electrical advice on the rectifier board

"Pinball Pimp" for great stencils

CPR for remaking the plastics.

"Marco" for tons of parts

Probably some others, but can't remember. Really can't do this kind of stuff without all the people who help to make all the stuff you need to get the job done. Great group of folks. Thank you very much for all your help!!

#13 89 days ago

Wow, looks amazing. Xenon was my first game and it looked close to your starting point. Great work!

#14 89 days ago
Quoted from timab2000:

Nice backglass from "Zablon" in good old Iowa. He's working on the sound boards too.

Let me know if you need help with the sound boards. I just finished fixing the sound boards in my 2nd Xenon.

#15 89 days ago

Wow, that must have been a TON of work. Really impressive. What did you do to remove the rust?

#16 89 days ago
Quoted from enjoyvelvet:

Wow, that must have been a TON of work. Really impressive. What did you do to remove the rust?

Used evapo rust on a lot of the stuff and then just good old elbow grease and sandpaper polish it all out with Mother's

#17 88 days ago
Quoted from dothedoo:

Let me know if you need help with the sound boards. I just finished fixing the sound boards in my 2nd Xenon.

I might need it. I got the vocal board working fine, but the sound board itself might be beyond me. U4 needs replaced (has a broken leg), I know that much, and I replaced the cap's and potentiometers, but there's something else wrong with it, and I don't have an oscilloscope. If I swap out the U4 it makes a high pitched pulsing noise. No sounds at all actually work when using it (this includes vocals). I do think one of the 3 leg transistors is bad as well - but I'm worried other chips might be bad.

#19 88 days ago
Quoted from Zablon:

I might need it. I got the vocal board working fine, but the sound board itself might be beyond me. U4 needs replaced (has a broken leg), I know that much, and I replaced the cap's and potentiometers, but there's something else wrong with it, and I don't have an oscilloscope. If I swap out the U4 it makes a high pitched pulsing noise. No sounds at all actually work when using it (this includes vocals). I do think one of the 3 leg transistors is bad as well - but I'm worried other chips might be bad.

There's not much to the board, actually.

If you have about 2.5V on pins 38 and 39 of U3 and TP5, then you should have good clock signals.
If you have a good reset signal on pin 40 of U3, then U6 should be good.
You should be able to swap U1, U2, U3 and U10 into your game and verify they are good.
The Vocalizer board also contains digitized sounds, not just speech, so the two boards always have to be connected to work.
At this point, all that's left is U8 (op-amp) and U9 (amp). A great tool to have is a crystal headset. With it you can hear the audio output of U1 at TP6 and the output of U8 on pin 4. It's pretty obvious U9 is working since you hear the pulsing noise.

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#20 69 days ago

Ever find the issue on the sound boards?

#21 69 days ago

Stunning transformation. Great work!

#22 69 days ago
Quoted from jj44114:

Ever find the issue on the sound boards?

He is still working on the boards.

Quoted from GreenMachine19:

Stunning transformation. Great work!

Thanks

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#23 60 days ago

Miracle if he fixes it. He really doesn't know what he's doing

#24 60 days ago

Outstanding work!!

The amount of elbow grease you put into that coin door and drop target mech really shows, and it all looks gorgeous.

-Paul

#25 59 days ago
Quoted from jj44114:

Miracle if he fixes it. He really doesn't know what he's doing

I never claimed to. I know the basics though. I offered to repair the obvious issues and the usual suspects. Initially he wasn't even going to send the soundplus with it. Wasn't expecting that the two boards would have issues with each other. As I stated in the other thread, both of his boards work fine with my boards, but his boards won't work together. They only go nuts (which is what I was showing in that video) when the two are together. It probably is a simple fix, for someone who's more experienced. Add to that I haven't had a ton of time to dedicate to trying to track it down, it's taking awhile. My issue is that I can't really test one without the other as I don't have a test bench, and since I don't see the same symptoms when I hook them to my boards, I can't tell which board the issue is originating from. I know what the obvious voltages should be, but I don't know all the details as it goes through the IC's etc.

#26 59 days ago

I understand, but the basics are knowing the difference between a resistor, diode, and a capacitor, and what a 6808 or 6810 is. No offense but you you shouldn’t really work on any boards until you learn those basics. You replaced almost everything on the board which I guess is good in the long run.

#27 59 days ago
Quoted from jj44114:

I understand, but the basics are knowing the difference between a resistor, diode, and a capacitor, and what a 6808 or 6810 is. No offense but you you shouldn’t really work on any boards until you learn those basics. You replaced almost everything on the board which I guess is good in the long run.

As of yet I've only replaced what I've found is actually bad. I haven't been replacing random parts. I haven't replaced anything else until I prove it is bad. The whole reason I'm asking the questions I'm asking is so I don't go replacing the wrong thing or ordering the wrong parts. I've not had to deal with bad chips / sockets before. My confusion initially was because I expected my boards and his to be identical, which they weren't.

To be clear, I've worked on all my machines (with the help of people here) and fixed boards on those. I had already told Tim I was doing this to learn a bit more. I know enough to not ruin the boards in the process. Also, I do very much appreciate the help you and others have given.

Anyway, Let's keep the discussion to the other thread for this to keep it all in one place.

#28 59 days ago
Quoted from Pablito350:

Outstanding work!!
The amount of elbow grease you put into that coin door and drop target mech really shows, and it all looks gorgeous.
-Paul

Thank you

#29 59 days ago
Quoted from jj44114:

Miracle if he fixes it. He really doesn't know what he's doing

Hey at least he is trying his best to figure it out.

Rather than being a ass about it, if you are so smart tell him whats wrong with it or keep your mouth shut and move on. Comments like that dont help anyone.

I really appreciate the fact that you are still working on it for me and I told you from the beginning that if you cant fix it...no worries, but I think you will figure it out.

#30 59 days ago

Broken budget or not, that looks amazing. No playfield photos, did you use a new CPR and new plastics?

#31 59 days ago

That’s some incredible and stunning work. I need to do the paint work on my eight ball deluxe but I’m reluctant. If I do it it will have to be a rattle can.

Dave

#32 59 days ago
Quoted from jibmums:

Broken budget or not, that looks amazing. No playfield photos, did you use a new CPR and new plastics?

Yeah I did get a new Playfield and Plastics

#33 59 days ago
Quoted from Calipindave:

That’s some incredible and stunning work. I need to do the paint work on my eight ball deluxe but I’m reluctant. If I do it it will have to be a rattle can.
Dave

All my work is done with Rust-Oleum rattle cans if you take your time it turns out pretty good

#34 58 days ago
Quoted from timab2000:

All my work is done with Rust-Oleum rattle cans if you take your time it turns out pretty good

Well that’s good to hear. Did you sand the finished paint and clear over that ?

Dave

#35 58 days ago
Quoted from Calipindave:

Well that’s good to hear. Did you sand the finished paint and clear over that ?
Dave

No I did not. Everything was sprayed in a satin finish.

#36 58 days ago
Quoted from timab2000:

No I did not. Everything was sprayed in a satin finish.

#37 57 days ago

Gorgeous work. Glad it went to you.

#38 57 days ago
Quoted from Slim64:

Gorgeous work. Glad it went to you.

Thanks for working me a deal I still got lost world waiting to be done

#39 57 days ago

Damn that is a sharp looking machine. The before and after pictures really help to show the amount of work that went into the project.

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