You must like fat flat girls more than models with big chests. You are entitled to your opinion, its just not a very good one.

Nope, just bought one, and its nothing short of amazing. And I've owned some of the highest rated pins on here (MM, LOTR, TSPP, SM) This pinball works out great for 99% of the people who bought it, sadly, it just doesn't work for you. The ratings here speak volumes about how MOST people view it.

If it is fixed and code completed ...I can see this one staying high in the ranks.
I waited in line to play this one ....played about 6 games of 4 players at a time...then walked over to AFM. I played one game afm and thought..wow this seems dated. Spoke with about a half dozen other players and that was the feeling we all had. Needless to say out of the 20 or so pins there only Xmen had a line and the four player games were continues for hours.

I for one am thinking Pro but waiting to see what avengers looks like along with spending time on ACDC.

One of my longtime-collector pin friends came over yesterday to play it...and couldn't stop! He's a diehard WPC'95 guy, and he left wanting an X-Men!

If you don't agree with his view, fine, say so. But there is absolutely no reason to get insulting.

So DarkKnight, ruleset means nothing to you regarding game play?

I am not a huge Xmen fan. Never watched the cartoons. So the voices don't bother me. I am a pinball fan. Scoring and how it plays are what is important. To each their own.

Hey man thanks for you take on it. Its not for everyone.

So magnets kill flow

The minut i saw the playfield i knew wolvie was to close.

Like you said, left side there is nothing you can hit with nice flow. I like to have equal sides on a playfield, i mean different in lay-out/shots, but equal in fun.

But i am sure other people will have a fantastic time playing this machine, and they deserve it. Cause its alot of money.

Darknight, I actually think you were wayyyyy to kind in your review. I have owned over 40 different pinball machines, and it makes me sad to see people give this a passing grade.
When people are happy with totally incomplete rules, and the best toy everyone talks about is the spinning disk on the game, it really makes you scratch your head.

Top it off that most paid $7000 grand for this, its no wonder why the owners are on the defensive.

Night crawler is done, it is what it is, its a random mode made by the scoop shot, its right on the rules card.

How I would of made this game better, a good start, would of been at least using a bunch of pop up drop targets (like cactus canyon) to randomely pop up on the playfield to knock down, you could of tied those into a power meter health bar.

I guess in 3-4 months, will see who knows what they are talking about. When the next game starts getting pumped, thats usually an iniatial sign of the lasting appeal of a game.

good luck, 5-7 grand is a lot of money, I would hate to see someone get burned without doing their do dilligence. A lot of x men fanboys have been making a lot of noise, which could make it very deceiving for someone that does not have the ability to check it out first.

Scott
Detroit Pinball

Honestly I like your review. IMHO, the wolverine toy is actually too easy. Might be the way I have my game set up (slope 6.7-6.8) and level. I have not had any issues with the magnet on X-Men giving me an unfair drain.

I find it fun. Wolvie isn't as dangerous if you bank shot him. I can usually get a Wolvie, Cyclops combo off the right flipper. I don't get as many Wolvie magnet throws to the sides as I do drops SDTM. I nudge if that ball is sitting nice and solidly in his clutches.
What is annoying is shots to Beast will glance off Wolvie. They will still make it up the lane but since they hit Wolvie too, it tends to start Wolvies mode and make the Beast shot not count. This will be a non-issue if they make it so you can't start XMen again after completion. But as it stands now, he is more annoying than fun.

Good review, thanks for voicing your opinion. You effectively described what you did and didn't like and use of scores per category was nice. I haven't played one but will definately try before I buy.

I definately was hearing some conflicting info on the sounds and believe you have established your credibility in this category.

Good review, not buying another Stern unless the code has been completed (i.e. LOTR).

I am a huge xmen fan but Amen Scott!

Totally agree with you but even Iron Mongers magnet sends the ball straight down the middle.
The game is in need of some serious coding which I hope will be released this week. I would say the voice work is okay not great. Hoping this will be part of the update. When I look at games with great "flow" LOTR, SM, ACDC etc, X-Men isn't that type of game.

How dare you have an opinion. Let the lemmings leap.

Interesting, well thought out review. Thanks!

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Thanks for voicing your opinion....very detailed...I like to hear the good, bad and the ugly....it helps others make a decision on purchasing or not....

There does seem to be a lot of these LE's available from several sources...

Ditto, thanks. I agree w many of your points.

WTG Darkknight.....finally someone who didn't drink the Stern Kool-Aid

I'm not sure why you think the game has no flow. You must not be making your shots. It isn't the fastest game out there. It isn't No Fear or SM, but it also ain't no slouch in the flow department either. This game has a lot of tight shots and if you don't have accuracy, you will have problems.
I will also say the pro should not have as tight of a left orbit because Wolvie doesn't need to be moved as he won't hit the ramp. I do think the Pro will be a bit faster and be just as fun because of that. NC is cool but he isn't a game changer. And I like that he doesn't pop up all the damn time. He would get annoying like Wolvie currently is.
Does it need to have bugs fixed. Absofreakinlutely.
There is the Nightcrawler DMD bug, Disk magnet not activating sometimes, Scoring issue and a couple of other small ones I can't think of at this time. No matter what anyone says, these should have been IDd from the factory.
Is this the "Best Game Ever!" No, will it be, probably not, but I am betting it will be a solid A title.

If anyone in North Jersey has one...please lemme know...I'd like to get an invite to play...

I really like how he voiced his view, he said what he didnt like then stated why. He just did not straight up trash it. I'm going to play one in the next few weeks at CP pinball, and I'll see what it is all about for myself. Until then I'll read these posts and know what to look for, fanboys and non-fans alike.

It was released a month ago. OH-ME-OH-MY!!! It's still for sale, so that must mean it's a total flop....lol.

Honest opinions are good and appreciated.

Before any review of this game, I think the code should be more up to date to have a more fair review (IMHO), either positive or negative. Who knows, maybe the code being more complete could sway someones thoughts.

But good on ya for posting. If someone would have posted a review thread similar to yours when AC/DC came out (i.e., in the negative, and recommending people not buy it), you would have been told you were wrong, and burned at the stake. Then beaten and burned again. The hung up for all the world to see.

The worst score is 6.5 and your not impressed????

Where would that be? Gameroom Guys are out and if you're talking about Automated Services...well they still have 2 NIB SM they can't get rid of.

Why don't you haters just admit this is the next great game and either buy one or get over it? It's either the anticipation of how great Avengers is gonna be, or how great SM is, or that Stern's QC sucks.

When you date hot girls you don't need a reason to explain why you date ugly ones.

Buy the F'ing game because if you don't I can almost guarantee it will be a top 5 game in 3 years tops.

Most of the guys that are pissed are the ones who were upset they missed out on Tron and are now realizing that X-Men is Stern's next Tron.

I don't understand how he is saying there is no flow. The left orbit shot is not very hard to shoot past Wolverine once you get the hang of it. After playing it for a while I can nail the shot pretty consistently followed by a ramp shot followed by another ramp shot I think this game has great flow. Some of the shots are challenging and requires practice but that IMO makes a good pinball game. And the rules are great, so much to do in the game. I am excited for the new code update this week and I am told by people who played the new code already that it is a huge improvement.

Exactly, I've gone Left Orbit (Beast) to Storm Ramp to Cyclops, back to Storm Ramp, to Iceman, to Beast, etc...the flow and speed is CRAZY with tons of Combos everywhere. Flow is more than "Left ramp, right ramp, left ramp, right ramp" *cough cough AC/DC cough cough*

...btw, I like AC/DC, it's fun...but X-Men has more flow/combos if that's an important criteria for you.

I agree - seems to have good flow to me - it is a pretty tough game but I am getting better at it. Takes practice but it also makes you a better player. I went from X-men to my TRON and really had a great game on the TRON.

I personally think this is a thread designed to not let the X-Men thread get to 200+ pages but one more comment.

I agree with Rarehero's comment about the flow. This game is so neat in terms of what you need to hit. It's freaking hard but not unfair.

thedarkknight77,

I haven't played the pin yet so I cannot agree or disagree.

I will say I like anybody who will put there balls out there knowing they'll be catching some shit for it, voice their opinion and back it up with details/facts, not just say "it sucks". I appreciate hearing different opinions.
Thanks

PorkChopExpress

Dude I hit every single shot tonight and I'm above average at best playing pinball. Maybe I'm underrating myself a little but I hit the Beast shot twice in the last half an hour or so.

That freaking shot RULES!!!

For someone that ownes only one pin, you do seem to throw a lot of odd observations/predictions out there???

you bought the game, we get it, nothing else you are saying makes any sense or has any relevence to the op's review.

How are you supporting your guarantee, cash wager, or can someone hold you liable for their game if your predicition doesnt come true?

Geez, the OP posted a valid review without showing any sign of direct malice / jealousy towards Stern or early adopters.

Scott
Detroit Pinball

Just from watching a video of it I was also unimpressed with the voices, they do sound a bit cheesy

Why blast the guy for giving his opinion? I have yet to play the machine but would love all the insight I could before I went ahead with a purchase.... Appreciate your review bro keep them comin.

I was with TDK today. Agree with most of what he said. I played it less than him though. After 3 plays I wanted to play other games in the arcade.

I've owned 73 games...I don't have the space right now because I'm in a condo in Fort Lauderdale. I'm not a Stern early adopter...have you looked at my previous games? I haven't fully updated it yet because I am slacking.

That being said, I am a firm believer you need to own the game or play it over and over again to fully rate so you can hold that against me.

Geez is spelled G-E-E-Z-E...and the bet was metaphoric but I'm guessing with the state of the education system in Detroit you may not know that.

Of course the voices are cheesy. It is based on a Cartoon/comic book. I can name some other games with cheesy quotes. You either like them or you don't though. I think they fit the theme. This game isn't dark in atmosphere like BDK, LOTR or SM.

So if a guy has an opinion then people should automatically buy Rolling Stones or vote for Barak Obama again? Some of you guys really need to relocate to Greece or France.

The Internet does not recognize 5 out of 10 being the measurement for mediocre.

Agree or disagree with the op, at least he explains his criticisms instead of just talking in hyperbole.

I'd have to say that I appreciate the review. The fact that specific details were given rather than a blanket "it sucks". By your own points, you may actually like the pro better.

I disagree with a few points: LEDs in this look awesome and make older games look dated.

The flow point: game has great flow. Rarehero summarized it well. But I think the point on flow we are missing is that you should avoid the left side of the playfield because the pops and the magnet are drainers. If you do that then you lose some of your flow opportunities. But you can achieve similar flow shots safer like this: Xavier (this is basically a ramp shot), cyclops (feeds upper flipper), storm ramp, repeat.

I like the iceman ramp moving and do not find it so much in the way. And the night crawlers will appear more - we have been told as such.

As for wolverine, I agree he blocks beast too much. He needs 3/8" shaved off his left side at the base. I might take mine off and cut him up . I'd like to get a spare first though. I also been looking for a suitable replacement. Yes you can still make the shot, but it's tighter than it needs to be and the risk is high shooting over there.

I don't know enough about the material to know if it's pliable when heated...but - if it is, it might be worth trying to flatten/squish the side in a bit rather than cutting it. If you cut it, there will just be a bit obvious hole there (as he is hollow inside)...but if you can squish the side flat w/ some heat - I think that would still look good.

As for me, I'm not too worried about it as I can make that shot just as well as I can make the pops orbit on Tron or TSPP. I think it's more psychologically in the way than physically. When I first saw it I was like "whaaat, that blocks the shot!!!" ...but then I played and I can make fast clean Beast orbits with relative precision.