One tip, you will probably want to modify the switch from the Wolverine bash toy so that the plastic nub faces the other way. This will give the mini-ball more spacing and make it less sensitive. I will post some pics once I get my bash assembly back from TMezel (after he is done with it of course).

Please note, you only need three post sleeves PER kit. Only three should be put on, otherwise the mini-ball gets stuck before it can hit the switch in the back.

You can put whatever you want there. Unless you buy something about 5 inches tall, you will have to shorten it. There are a lot of nice options out there though.

TMezel, you might want to change the thread title to Pro/LE as it works on both.

You should be able to order the Newton bracket alone at any time. The belt bracket is different.

You can see the Newton ball here: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/judremys-xmen-wolverine-solution-with-gameplay

There are better ones you can add to the machine. I will post up the one a friend of mine used and it looks so much better.

Sorry I haven't been around. Had to get a new car, been sick all week, and daylight savings time is already playing with my head. If you need help, I will try to do what I can.

Ouch! Isn't that rule #1? Always turn off the power! Hopefully we noted that in the guide.

TMezel, did you get this installed in your machine? Also, did anyone else get it installed? Pictures people! Show off your machines.

Sure thing. I can take a Cliffy from another machine to have four on it. Don't know if you want to mail the bash assembly back too now that you have one. If you still have use for it, hold onto it.

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What size washer did you put below the captive ball. I might add that to mine.

I was playing X-Men last night and got to Danger Room. It is so satisfying when you make the Gambit shot or even the Beast > Storm > Iceman > Xavier > Cyclops combo is cool. Was doing great until Magneto threw the ball down the middle. No time to react at all.

I love this game so much with the newton ball as it opens up the field and increases the flow that Wolverine was killing.

I will install it as soon as I can once I receive it. Maybe you can include the sticker for the belt protector too (you already sent me a belt protector). You can also send back the bash assembly (if you are done with it).

You don't think I can just put it back together? Well, I'll let you decide that. I have a few extra splints still from when we had the give away at The Walking Dead release tournament. I could use a few of those wider ones (the two part ones) though. Did you make one for Williams switches yet?

for the newton bracket or the belt guard? Both are made, but are in testing.

If you buy some museum putty (quake putty), you can put a small amount on the bottom and it will stick great and you won't be able to see it.

Got the new switch from TMezel to test. Will try to install tonight.

I'm testing the new switch on Sunday. Have a relative in town this week and a pinball tournament on Saturday.

Did not have a chance to install yet. Will do tomorrow after work. Family was still in town all weekend, so that took precedence. Tied for third in the pinball tournament, but no trophy. Still a great MPE.

Definitely post some pics of it with the Wolverine you end up putting above it. I can't speak for Mezel, but I wanted to get this to others after I made the original with another guy and feel it fixes one of the big flaws with the game. It makes wolverine harder to hit and causes the magnet throws to be more brutal, both which I love.

I tested the new switch and it is missing a necessary piece which is a bent metal piece behind the first tall metal switch. It really needs to be like a target without the plastic cover. I am going to send some pics to Mezel tomorrow of the switch stack I had made to see if we can find something like it with the necessary reinforcement.

The problem with the sample he sent is that the ball hits the switch too hard and gets stuck either between the rubbers or gets stuck between the switch blade and one of the posts.

I have attached a pic of what happened with the switch that Mezel sent me. With the fourth rubber on, the ball got stuck between the rubbers.

Without it, the ball got jammed between the post and the switch.

The original switch I used has another bent piece that gives extra support to the front switch blade. It also only needs two connection points. I took mine apart to try and give a visual.

I will try to look for a good switch on pinball life or marcos when I have a spare minute. Right now, work and my toddler are taking all my time.

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I believe these might work. I U riveted the plastic from a Williams switch and changed around the stack some. This would work and might only require changing the order of the stack to match what I posted above.

http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=3424

Make sure if you try it, that you get the square top and not the round one.

The only other thing I can try with the switch you sent is to turn it backwards and have it start out closed and when I hit it, that would open then close the switch again.

He won't stop selling it since he prints them as needed. It's not like he has an inventory of 100 of these or anything. Though, the newton ball is awesome and definitely does NOT make the game easier. Try striking the newton ball without that magnet grabbing the ball and throwing it away.

You have no idea the speed this game has (more like Tron) when you don't have a toy that was improperly designed in the way. 100% reversible, less expensive than most mods, and makes the game more enjoyable (not to be confused with easier). Try it before you make assumptions.

Any ingame pics of it on yours Tmezel? Curious which figure you went with if any. Highly recommended!

http://mezelmods.com/collections/x-men/products/x-men-wolverine-newton-bracket

That looks pretty good in the LE. I really like the smaller figures. Try taking off Magneto and tell me what you think of the plastic underneath him. Great design there that can't be seen with the giant figure. Plus, you can see the balls that are locked through the transparent window.

That could be good. I would put the back of the fits towards the player with the claws vertically up.

Maybe something like this:

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If you do this and can make it transparent, there may be a way to run the flasher wires up and into it instead of the flasher being IN the wolverine insert.

How much does the paperweight run. Thinking I may have to get one. Wonder if there is a Magneto in a similar scale.

You can put washers between the switch and the plastic bracket before screwing the switch into the bracket. This may space it out A bit better.

On the original one, I think the guy who made the file did that because our switches were set back a bit. To be honest, that part could probably be brought in a bit to align with the back where you insert the screws. Hard to say as I have not seen the final switch that Mezelmods includes. I am willing to offer any help I can. I really feel this makes the game play better. Just be sure to give it the pop bumper test (should not trigger when pop is activated).

Jeremy

This is definitely suggested. It's a little trial and error. You can get it to stay up with just the newton ball installed an probably a single post to test the spacing.

Anyone else care to share pics of their setup? Love to see the changes people have made if any. Also hoping to see more videos.

I was the one who helped make this part and own a Pro. It works great and was actually made to work with both machines.

He quoted it. Quake putty. Simple and you don't need much.

Anyone take pictures of their installs? I am curious to see what people came up with? I have noticed people adding a washer UNDER the newton ball to raise it up slightly. Anyone else do this?

First off, a big thanks to all that posted pics of their Newton Balled X-Men. I really am glad I could help make this machine better for those of you that had the same problems with it that I did. Some of the ideas people have shown are great (including the Wolverine with light-up eyes).

Does anyone know of someone that can make decals and has a graphic background? I do agree that a decal would complete the package, but you would have to make two for the different cut-out areas (Pro & LE); however, they could share the same art. If someone can remember to take a picture (or even better, a scan) of the area when they have their Wolverine figure out along with measurements of the area, that may help this get going. At the very least, you could make an all blue (matching the playfield) decal that would go around the cut-outs. It may only need to expand the Gambit throwing card art slightly and maybe the electrical lines coming from the Magneto magnet. Anyone up for the task?

If I ever go back to the large figures, I may have to cut the belt off mine too. Nice work!

Can you take a picture of where and how you mounted the L-bracket and the size?

The flasher in the Wolverine insert goes off when you hit him. You could reroute those wires into the head with a flasher LED using the flat flex head.

The instructions need to be updated to use the new switch. I don't think the Wolverine switch works. I will let someone who bought the package answer though.

Let's see where we are:

Can you provide pics of how it looks below playfield? I think someone said they closed the gap and had it work so it registered when it opened instead of closing. I assume after you soldered the connections to the new points, you remembered to hookup the connector under the playfield? I really want to see what we are working with here as I haven't heard of any problems like this before.

I will be interested to hear what you and Dugfreez think of it. You guys are very knowledgable and outspoken about this game (as am I). Let us know after you have some time with it.

I am starting to think the tighter fit might be an LE thing based on who had the issue. Maybe that slot is slightly shorter. Hopefully, Mezel can take a hair off the back, but not sure of what he can do with the STL file I sent him. The light never was implemented, but I would like to know if those wires went to a connector or were hard wired into the rest of the wiring system. I would terminate them at a connector if I had an LE in case they ever finish that feature. Then you could attach new wires to the connector with a 555 socket or something and mount it in Wolverine with it pointing up. I plan to move the flasher in the Wolverine insert behind my figure at some point so it becomes more noticeable.

Rcade, that was a great write-up. I have to say that even with all the trouble it was and me and Mezel going back and forth on a lot of this, it was worth it. If people I highly respect can enjoy this game more than before then that is great. Thanks for the feedback and enjoy!

Does anyone have a machine on route with this mod in it? Curious if it is holding up well and if volume (number of weekly plays) has changed.

How much was that one? It looks good to me. You repaint it?

Quake Putty is amazingly strong. You can put a blob of it on the plastic piece that came with the kit as long as the statue has a nice solid bottom.

If any of you installed this Newton ball and still have the old bash assembly handy, I need help identifying the switch so TMezel can order me a new one. This would be the original switch in the bash assembly.

Here is the thread I created for identifying it:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/need-part-number-for-wolverine-switch#post-2764725

Help is appreciated!

You are looking to make a plastic for above the four posts? Sounds like a cool idea. I'd be in for one depending on price.

Curious to find out if anyone has had any issues with the newton ball mod? I haven't and am still loving it, but some people probably get to play more than I do these days.

The nut for the Newton post should be a #10 and I think the individual posts are #8s. The Newton ball thru the bracket is really what holds it all together. I worked on the original design and we had shorter posts for the 4 and they work fine as they are just meant to stabilize the position of the bracket. Looks like he changed up some parts from the original (which look better).

I can tell you that once you have it all together, it is well worth it.

Thanks for posting about this in both threads. You made me smile and that is all I ever really wanted. To me, this is the missing piece that truly makes this game great. One day, I hope Borg plays one with the mod. I would love to hear what he thinks.

He will send you a new one, I'm sure of it. I worked on the design of this and I can say that those posts kinda work, but now you have four nubs sticking out the top of the guard that sits on top. This makes it a bit harder to put a figure or statue instead of the screws that work on the supplied posts. Feel free to change it up though if you want.

The posts are there more for stability and to keep the tiny ball in place. The newton ball itself keeps the piece from sliding back down below the playfield. You can even put a washer below the newton ball to prevent airballs (I have never had any myself, but others have. Sorry you had a bad time with it so far, but it is worth it.

You'd have to reach out to MezelMods via his website. I don't make these.

Get the belt guard if you are going to use the bash toy. It should protect it from cracking.