So I updated the code late last week and played a bit over the weekend.

Maybe its me not being aware, or maybe its the new code, but I dont ever remember seeing the Gobstopper spots on the display sitting there? I noticed after I got one that it showed up on the screen...

I did a backup of my scores and settings, then ran the full install of 1.37. I didnt have to but I prefer full installs. Worked without issue and then the backup took 15 seconds...

Well, once you're wifi'd it's pretty frictionless.

Anyone have DI and WWCH sitting next to eachother? Do they feel a little samesy?

I once had Ripleys and TAF - they were too similar. Wonder if DI and Wonka have that same Lawlor feel, or if they stand solidly alone?

I have had them both at home for a long period of time.
For me it's all about what the high level focus is about.
DI: modes
Wonka: multiballs

I think they play pretty different in that regard. I would love to own them both at the same time eventually.

How does GNR stack up to WW in your collection?

Eye gots boof. You are welcome to come over and play them.

I had a GnR SE beside a Wonka SE for alittle while. Wonka is so much better its not even a comparison to me. GnR code is all about score which i absolutely hated unless the games from the 80s. Wonka has such a smooth feel it made GnR feel like it was designed by a rookie with so much clunk and boring shots. Light show wise GnR crushes everything but the light show gets old quick when theres no story or narrative to the code besides get the highest score possible.

Wow. Could not disagree more.

GNR has the whole accomplishment thing going - best booster setup followed by best execution. Plus all the "side quests" of the album modes, tour/Slash modes.

Are you one of those people that nerfed the game by tuning out the multiballs?

No i actually liked the multiballs just didnt like the code direction or the layout plus it feels cheaply made compared to the other JJPs ive owned, i have had 4 out of 6 they have made. Thanks for the Wonka tutorial videos they were/are great by the way. Wonka is wonderful and has some magic under the glass.

Edit-on GnR i made it through the entire code in 2 days of owning it playing it like a mode based game and then realized it just wasnt for me. I dont play for points ever i never look up and see what my scores are until im done, its more about the adventure for me which GnR has none of. Glad you enjoy GnR though!

I hear you - 2 days and you were into all the modes+wizard, wow! I should watch your tutorials

FWIW we went through a doubt phase on the game early on too - then it really hooked us bad and we're putting plays on it even faster than we did with Wonka

I would play each song just long enough to qualify for the album modes is how i did it so fast. I just didnt realize the code was setup like it is until it was to late. If it wasnt for Covid I would of played it on location and realized it wasnt for me. I did have the game for about a month and tried and tried to like it but just couldnt get past the layout and code designs. Then i got Wonka and was blown away buy the level of fun I have on it compared to GnR. So I sold GnR and got a Catwomen which is so much better then GnR when it comes to what i prefer in my games. Its all good though I just have a different opinion then alot of guys on GnR i get it.

Well you can't go wrong with Wonka either - it's a spectacular game with many layers to uncover over time. It has certainly earned its keep for us!

I posted this question to you previously in this thread with no response - and I’m interested in your opinion as I have enjoyed your videos.

What is the better machine - Wonka on GnR?

For sure man Wonka is great and with your tutorials really helped me understand the game, i truly appreciate that you took the time to do them. I see we havent owned Dialed Ins, id love to grab one of them soon also for some more PL fun. To me the first spoken line when you push start on Hobbit is my pinball moto!

People ask me all the time to rank my JJPs, which game is best, is GNR better than Wonka, etc....

And that right there is why I can't answer the question...I genuinely don't know the answer myself.
I love them both and for very different reasons, a sentiment I have about all JJPs.
Each one offers a very unique experience. None have disappointed me.

I do, enjoy them both. I like WWCE better - I've had it longer and am better at it, it's probably my favorite game. I think DI is a quicker game, feels "Lawlor flowier" if that's a term, but theme isn't super impressive. I don't think they feel too much alike, but I have 12-14 machines at any given time and I love Lawlor (also have TAF and TZ). If I only had 2 machines, I'd get something different, and not own both.

GnR is amazing. It's not my favorite shooter (but is top 3, WW is probably #1), and is sitting right next to my WW (both bolted to floor!). It's a marvel, both in play and show.

I don't agree with this, but to each their own!

If I had to only own two games, it would be Wonka and GnR. They really compliment each other!

My opinion, just since you asked:
Wonka: fun
GNR: intense

They are both amazing games so you can't go wrong with either. If I had to choose one it would be Wonka.

Di for the win,I never could understand the problem with the theme.

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Holy shit! The Most Secret Machine mode is sooooooooooooo grooooooooovyyyy! It is trippy man! Like 60’s electric Kool Aid acid test trippy. Like walking through Spencer’s in the late 70’s trippy. Like hanging out in the Psychedelic Shack baby! Faaaaarrrr Ouuuutttt!!

Lit the game up like Chinese New Year this morning and scored 11M and change. Was sooooo close to 3 tickets. Another couple of Wonkavator jackpots and I’d had it!

That game was like a Technicolor day dream. And when it finally ended I was a little disoriented, finding myself in a dark quiet room after all that rich, vivid stimulation.

This post is so funny. I was actually laughing out loud playing WW today, some games get me upset Willy makes me smile and laugh. My wife can tell which game I just got done playing.

I’m still learning the game and have never done drugs, but when you look up and see 1/2 a sink 1/2 a clock you’re mind races then you get screamed at “you get nothing “. So funny.

I respect that thanks for the input

My interest in your opinion is the number of JJP you have as well as the time you spent on them learning and sharing with us. I appreciate that.

Now tell me about the Hobbit in comparison ...

Hobbit and WW are both bolted to the floor at my house. Wonka is just silly flow shooting around, hobbit is serious strategy and quest for points. Love them both but Hobbit gets way more attention from me, it’s truly a quest every time and you have to change your strategy as your game develops.

Interesting feedback thanks for this!

Hobbit I had some trepedation with going in. I don't care for the theme, haven't seen the movies, and the game did not resonate with me on casual plays at friends houses. But I had an opportunity to get a really nice one so I jumped at it, reasoning I could always sell if I didn't like it.

Once we understood the rules, we both fell in love with it. It's a great game and the longer ball times are refreshing if we're getting beaten up by the other machines.

I can't stress enough how different each and every JJP plays. That makes them very hard to "rank."

I will say that like RobbyIRL5 the two we are currently playing the most are Wonka and Guns.

I love my Hobbit, its my reprieve from getting my butt kicked in Wonka or another game, lol. Not sure exactly how it happened, but I killed Smaug last night, was pretty cool, was initially concerned I broke the machine as everything lost power. I think I started the mode during a crazy multiball. zaphX your Kid Multiball tutorial was amazing, changed my game today. Nice to know what you're trying to accomplish.

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Thanks man! I'm really glad that it helped!

That’s Wonka’s Office, and the same exact thing happened to me last night as Wonka furiously scolded me! I just burst out laughing, loud and hard at that. I don’t think any pinball machine offers such a direct, visceral moment with game. How many pinball machines even give you an experience that even approximates that? It’s awesome.

Quest for points? I thought Hobbit was mode based and more of a journey? That’s an important distinction for me, because I feel Wonka covers the points quest nicely and I’d like a deep counter to that.

What are you proposing exactly? That some body give you their Wonka in exchange for waiting for a GnR to be made, and then coughing up $9,300 on top of all that? Oh boy...

What?

It’s a trade. Cash + my GNR spot for a game.

I’m slow today I guess, because I’m still not getting it. But I will wish you luck getting a Wonka, because it’s an amazing pinball experience. Hands down an all time, elite game.

It’s early

Have had some offers... but still looking. Might be easier for me to take possession of my GNR and then trade with a physical game in hand. That’s really no different than what I’m proposing now... just in this case, the other party will need to wait for JJP to make the game.

EDIT - ended up with a long summary here. Apologize - getting this in before the crazy workday.....

So at this point, I own all the JJP games except Dialed In. I'm not someone that sits around with games just to have them so I've seen a lot. I'm really starting to appreciate all that you get from JJP vs. others. That being said, I still love that stern responsiveness/feel and therefore need to have them too. Not too many - a stern truly is a stern BUT they make one of my favorite games in JP. What a masterpiece. My others is TMNT but I'm a huge TMNT fan.

For the record, I will say that Dialed In is a great game. For what they are going for, if my wife wasn't already going to kill me with the 10 I have, it would be in my collection as well. I simply don't own it right now b/c of theme alone. I never liked the theme and in a competitive sport called how many pins can you own before your wife leaves you, here I am. The other big weakness in DI is that SIM card shot. It's broken. No skill, just luck and I don't want to hear it's about how it's setup. It's not. Owned many - they all are jank. If the shot wasn't so important, I wouldn't mind but it's a design flaw in a otherwise, amazing design.

Here's how I rank them right now.

Pirates #1: weakness is theme and modes that don't feel different enough. That's offset by literally the greatest widebody design, if not general design in pinball and toys like we've never seen since the 90s and will likely not see again from JJP unless they change their business model. I would even say the toys beat the 90s games considering how many there are and how well they work. The use of them is perfect too as they all interact with the ball well and with the chest closing mod, it's pinball perfection in my mind. Truly a game of magic.
Overall, unbelievable flow for the size, toys that are amazing and it's all pulled together with solid code. So many ways to play it as well.

GnR#2: This is def based on my love for the band. This game imo, if you're not a fan of GnR, is incredibly overrated. Lights are amazing and theme integration is some of the best (which is why it ranks high) but otherwise, shots are good but not amazing, and code is whatever as I'm not a points guy. I can totally understand people passing on this game if you're not someone who likes to play for points, doesn't care for the band and doesn't like MBs. If you have this trifecta, I would pass. For me, MBs makes the songs last longer and my love for the band makes that work out well. I love the concert feel, so I value the strengths a lot. It also has some of the nicest art on the cab ever from JJP, if not the best.

Next 3......Wonka, WoZ and Hobbit.

Hard to determine the order here.

I absolutely love the theme of wonka. Could be my favorite of JJP so that plays a huge role in it's placement. The shot design is also amazing and I love the art. The sounds in the game are very weak and the music element could have been played up a bit BUT it does have a lot of cool music scenes (choc rive, omp MB, etc). It's not all sour grapes with sound and the code is better with the updated version. Ultimately, I think Wonka could end up being #3 after more time with it. The powder on the game is JJP's best ever. LE is gorgeous.

WoZ is such a classic that it has to stay in the collection. Game changer for sure, doesn't shoot the best but it's unique and still fun in it's own right. Assets are all there, great code, music is good. Gorgeous too. My ECLE with 2.0 boards is hard to find and will likely stay b/c of it. Pain in the ass to install those 2.0 boards unless you're super talented like our man Derrick!

Hobbit - such a wild card game. Plays like no other one I own. Guests bored out of their mind when they play it. Gorgeous but super open. Here's my view on it.....I love the music, call outs, assets, integration and how the modes differ from one another. Smaug kill is so damn good - how the machine basically stops. Magic moment for sure. It's the role playing pinball of the year and sometimes for that reason, I just don't feel like playing it and committing that much time. That's Hobbit's biggest weakness for me but man does it do so much well and feel very unique in a world of machines that often times feel similar if not the same. It's also one of the heaviest games I've moved. The bottom of the PF is loaded. Pirates is the heaviest btw. What a killer that game is to move! Also, I expect the price on Hobbit to continue rising significantly. It's already moving and the trend should continue as people wake up to what this game offers.

^DI is my favorite JJP. It's just fun and gets the blood pumping when you reach the wiz modes. I love the difficulty of the SIM shot. It makes it so much rewarding when you hit it. IMO, it would hurt the game if that were an easy shot.

I had a Pirates. Loved it for a few months then I stopped caring if I completed any of the character modes.

Wonka is good, but hasn't clicked to "love it" for me.

I hear you, I keep telling myself I need to focus on those more. Most times I just get excited about getting the sixes stack going and ripping the upper playfield loop At least I have something to grow into.

I’ve yet to find a POTC that was set up well and everything worked properly.......the mechs look fun but if they don’t work what’s the point? Definitely the bottom of my personal JJP list but I also would never pay 2x or more for any title over the retail, that’s just nonsense.

Hi all,
Had asked previously if anyone on the forum had figured out what the pink pipe and numbers on the pipe mean. Have figured out the first part of it. When you start the game the pipe is blank. Every time you hit the inner loop (Mike Teavee shot) the score on the pipe increases by 500. Have tried several times to focus on this and it seems to max out at 5,000. However, I cannot figure out what the number means, because it does not appear to give you that score each time you hit the shot, nor does it seem to be linked to jackpots in any mode etc. Anyways, keen to hear other thoughts and theories and folks continue to explore the intricacies of WW!

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I -think- is has something to do with rewards in Oompa Loompa Odyssey. Jackpot seed value maybe?

My opinion: Scoring high is all about clearing a 5 star mode then going deep into or beating the wizard mode(s). Clearing the 5 star modes requires a ton of set up with the multi balls and timing your Smaug start to support 6-ball slamming and stacked ball saves to get the targets for riddles or whatever you prefer. If you don’t execute then you downshift your strategy and settle for a lower opportunity wizard mode score. It’s a journey, and you can optimize points if you’re strategic in your approach. Love to hear how others do it though.......maybe a good topic for another thread.

You mean for individual shots in Oompa Loompa as you build towards jackpot? That would be cool. Have you tested the theory or just a guess?

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/wwcf-club-wonka-golden-tickets-inside/page/145#post-6081009

Huh. Mine pretty much worked flawlessly from day 1.

Don’t get me wrong, I wanted to love it and was having a blast my first game until the multi ball start failed and the game had to be shut off.

How do I get Wifi’d?

I’m playing code 1.33