Nice work man, that's a legit milestone that professional companies can't seem to reach before shipping.

Riot: 1 Stern:0

Complete code is a huge deal!

Game is sounding better and better all the time.

Is that a fair comparison though? Wasn't WOOLY already coded for the virtual machine?

I feel so great to be a part of this awesome project (as an investor in Riot Pinball and my future fun)

Nice job... can't wait to play that one.

I know we are getting close to the line in the sand of 100...how close are we?

To those with potential interest: last days before the deadline (?)
If you have any hesitation, just ask Scott.

I cant say enough. Wooly is Awesome. I have met Scott many times. He is a honest and upfront.

He also is just a guy with regular job who loves pinball. The amount of effort,time and his own money he put into this project is unfathomable. This is his baby. Its going to be awesome. I promise. His time and hard work promise.

The clock ticking. Get in on this. I have played it recently and I can reaffirm its awesome.
I'm in and I want to see this made. There is no other way.

If anyone has any questions or needs to hear more about WOOLY. Please contact Scott now. If you want to hear more about it from a random pinhead. PM me. Don't let unanswered questions be your roadblock. Don't let other manufactures distrust, issues, delays get in the way.

Scott is the real thing.

Any chance you guys can move forward with 50 buyers, then increase the price by, say $500 for the next batch of 50-100 once the first 50 have been produced?
I really think this game would sell well if it were currently available at distributors.
I understand that costs increase with fewer pins produced, but with all the pre-order/start-up debacles of late, maybe a reduced initial run followed by a price increase for the next round of buyers is a viable way to go?
Otherwise, would there be any possibility of Spooky or Cointaker or someone else purchasing 10-20 units in order to sell them with a mark-up once completed?
If the real issue is "start-up/pre-book uncertainty", am I alone, thinking that us chickens would be willing to pay a higher price with less risk?
This pin seems to have enough toys and extras to warrant a higher price tag.

I am with you if it was here right now it would sell like hotcakes.
If anyone has $500,000 they can borrow I am sure this pinball awesomeness could happen.

Bump. Because this game deserves way more exposure than its getting.

To me this is great looking machine with complete code....pitch it to one of the big boys...make thousands of them.

No. He posted that here:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/wrath-of-olympus-play-it-at-expo/page/10#post-2008553

He answered that one already too:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/wrath-of-olympus-play-it-at-expo/page/10#post-2010426

FWIW...bump.

Best of luck,
Ryan Claytor
Elephant Eater Comics
www.ElephantEater.com

Is it more complicated than requiring a minimum number of guaranteed sales to be in? It would be nice to see someone step up to fill the much needed niche to fulfill boutique pinball manufacturing, as the backlog of ideas needing final execution is growing. I suppose it is why the distributor model works to guarantee a minimum number of sales.

Ball save time should be it's own setting and not tied to tournament mode on / off.
Extra ball should be it's own setting and EB off / max EB = 0 has no extra balls at all.
When you get a EB with them off / at the max it should give fixed points. Maybe for the modes with completion awards give more points for EB.

That is how stern and wms games do it.

also for the mystery stuff can it do more then just one fixed in thing in COMPETITIVE PLAY?
other games have Balanced mystery that does that. It can just be stuff like in a mode always give more time for first mystery shot in that mode. In Multiball always give add a ball / if at max balls out ball save on for the first shot.

Joe thanks for the suggestions. We will review them and consider adjustments during our testing period. As always, we love to hear from others. While we have our own reasons for code implemented some things can be changed if there is a good reason.

I put the link there so you could read the whole post. Read under #3 in the post and he explains it all.

All of these other boutique pinball machines have tied up so much money that WOOLY will never get a fair shake. WOOLY just got there too late. Two years ago they probably would have sold out 100 units overnight.

I'm surprised 100 units haven't sold considering the completeness of this game as compared to almost all others, and it looks like a very nice shooting playfield, arguably better than most games put out in recent years. The problem is simple, as you mention, it is stiff competition at the now infamous $8k price point, whereas there is little competition at less money.

On one hand it shows how important a theme or designer can be for sales, but bottom line is this hobby needs an infusion of new talent, and I'd like to see this succeed.

just from playing in tournaments you do need a way to trun off all EB's to make it as fair as it can be.

I agree make thousands.

Not really

"we tried hard to get someone to build it for us". That is different than signing off and selling the prototype and rights with it. This is a almost fully developed game Stern could tweak whatever they wanted to and put it in their line up a year or two down the road. Maybe it ends up being a little different but at least it gets made.

Sure Scott and company loose control and ownership rights but IMHO that's better than loosing everything they worked for.

I'm rooting for it, be very cool if it was made, but $8k is just too much money I think. And Scott hasn't been able to tour the show circuit to demo the game for people. I dunno where it was besides Expo, only place I've seen it, but fairly certain nothing on the Western half of the country has been covered. Pretty hard to sell an expensive game and ignore California, Texas, and the Pacific NW.

Even Spooky is struggling with that. I know people out here who want to try AMH so they can decide if they want to buy it, but it's just not easily available.

I don't know what's going to happen to this project, last update I remember was 50ish people were in, and I doubt another 50 have appeared since then. Be a pity if it all had to be scrapped, though I assume the Riot people will at least build personal vanity games for themselves.

This is just my opinion, but I don't think this game not being made is a failure for boutique pinball, or original themes. My takeaway would be that if you want to make a game you should really watch the BOM, not go for 6 flippers out of the gate for instance, and focus on the rules. Lots of great ideas on this one. And it's where Stern is the most vulnerable. Make a game that can sell for $6500 instead, compete at the Stern Premium level, and bring code for the true home collector.

And you've got to find a way to tour with the game. I'm willing to bet the bulk of the pre-order folks in this thread played it. At Expo or otherwise (was it somewhere else? I forget). It's gonna take money and time, but if you can't tour with it then it's a real uphill climb, because playing is believing for so many.

Best of luck to Scott and Riot, whatever happens in the next couple days and whatever decisions are made.

I'm guessing the BOM / profit margin is not in line with where it would need to be for Stern to remotely consider it. Plus, as much as people here call for unlicensed themes, I don't believe that will prove profitable on a large scale. I love WOOLY, but I couldn't imagine Stern taking this on for countless reasons.

I am still interested in the game but I have decided that I will not be pre-ordering. What it comes down to for me is that $8000+shipping is probably more than I would pay for a machine especially that I have not played. Add to that the wait and I just can't bring myself to get in on it.

To be clear I am confident that the price is what they need to have it set at but I can't justify to myself spending that much on top of waiting. A lower price with a wait or shipping now at the full price and I would be much more likely to order, especially as I would not have a chance to try it before ordering.

Still best of luck on the project, I really hope that it will get made.

Someone mentioned once (not sure if it was Scott himself, but someone at expo) that Stern won't touch a run this small. If you're not making a thousand of them, they don't want to bother.

And THAT is why you have my 100% support and I am putting money in to get a game!

I love the game, but more than anything I support the idea of what this is!

And from everything we have seen or read, it is epic.

All those complaining about Stern's pins delivered with skeleton rules (remember X-men at start?) now you can support a company making a pin with complete code before production!

AMH sales were a bit slow at start (from what I read) because of unlicensed theme. But the word of mouth is so good that it will be sold out eventually.

Same should apply to Wooly!

Very well spoken Scott

The game is great as is, and Scott is still adding things to it to make it better. While some don't like the music or all of the call outs, most of that is customizable, and that is very cool. I played it at Expo and really liked how it played. The couple of minor nits that I didn't really like (like thedink-donk), Scott has listened and modified. But it is hard to plunk down the large deposit Scott wants and then have to wait. While the planned start of production is 9 months off, and not that it will, we have seen how that can slip. Plus it isn't clear how long it will take to get them all built. I'll buy one once production starts, and I can see the end in sight. Hopefully Scott can make all 250 of them (and more please!) once people see how fun a game it really is to play.

I don't think people get it, the game won't be built without the funds up front. There is no I'll wait until production to buy it.

Yup.
And, unlike JPop and DP, here there's a hell of a lot of info about the game and it's progress and gameplay. I haven't played the game (virtual OR real), but I like unlicensed themes, and I like how the game is set up. I'd be in if I didn't have a house purchase this coming year. (I would seriously consider buying someone's hand in a year, too..!)

I am really hoping the goal of 100 is seen..!
-Mike

I am hoping RIOT has come up with a way to push onward even if they do not have the required 100 orders by the end of the year.

I personally would 'invest' and buy a second game IF the production limit was reduced to 100 games.
I believe enough in the company that I would find a way to scrap together the funds for 2 games, knowing that with a limit of 100 I could sell the second one for enough to recoup my investment plus some.

I don't care to 'invest' in pinball but this may be a way to generate the required startup funds to get the game built. Granted that also means you are limiting the number produced and potential long term return for Riot, but if this is really a go or no go sort of situation then I have to guess a good chuck of the original 50 that have ordered are wanting this game enough to take on an additional 8k investment/risk??? Limit it to 100 total and I am in to do something like this.

I'd love too, just not in the budget.

I am hoping this goes forward as well. Love the game. I am hoping that they will make additional parts available for sale. I would like to pick up an additional playfield, plastic set, and translite.

I would consider something like this as well. For the most part, I think I'm done buying NIB, so I'm not really interested personally in spending more than $8K to get this game. But if you're strictly talking about a "temporary investment" into a second game, I might consider it. Once the game is complete and out there, with only 100 total made, there's no doubt getting at least the initial investment back out would not be too difficult.

Dropping the production limit to 100 would reduce the overall potential for Scott compared to 250, but assuming 100 is profitable, that's better than 0. Additionally, have any of you seen the sick playfield sketch of Alice in Wonderland on the RIOT site? If WOOLY gets built, there is a better chance that game could come to fruition, and people would have more trust in RIOT having a game out in the wild. The pre-order model is on life support, if not officially dead, so I'm not sure what that would mean for a second game from RIOT. However, being someone that's been in on RAZA, I would far prefer what I see in the early sketch of AIW from RIOT than the vaporware^3 that Jpop has with his AIW.

I wish I could too, but I can't afford a second one!

In any case, any mean / solution to reach the goal is welcome.

Did Spooky need deposits up front to build the game? Absolutely not. There are some people willing to put up cash and wait. I'm hoping between all the alternatives Scott will find a way to build it. But needing pre-orders isn't an absolute necessity, it is just the easiest way to shift all the risk to the buyers. Some are willing to take that risk, good for them, I'm grateful for those that do so hopefully I can own this game. But I'm not willing to do that.

I figure the initial out of pocket cost would be pretty similar.

I am getting production game #2 to be made and assuming I commit to a second it would be game #51 (or whatever). I would need to have 9k in by mid-Feb and then pay off #2 when ready.

Assuming I could turn around and sell #2 shorthy after I get it for a decent profit, it would actually mean that my game #51 would cost me less out of pocket and I would just have to float a couple of grand for a few months.

We interrupt this broadcast for a small update: Testing version 0.99 of the software today. It's looking good! We are on target for a complete rev 1.0 by 12-31-14.

Videos or it did not happen!

Busy New Year's eve?

Sorry, I've been busy testing most of the day but I had a killer game so at least I took a pic of it for posterity

After 30 games today I hit my all time Grand Champ score of 373,565,720. If you've played the game or remember the rules we posted this is what I was able to get in one marathon game (20 minutes). Of course I had a bunch of stinker games along the way, but this one stood out so I took a pic. What a rush.

Minotaur – completed (2 ball MB for completion)
Medusa – completed (4 ball MB for completion)
Cerberus – completed
Hydra – completed
Beast Master – 50 million for completing all monsters
Sirens – started but died (sirens is a bonus mode if you beat all monsters and hit the scoop in 7 sec)
Ares – started but died
Hades – completed (shoot again)
Zeus letter MB – twice (3 ball MB)
Move your chariot - twice
Two extra balls.

Things I didn’t get to do: battle two more gods (Poseidon and Zeus), Aphrodite Hurryup, Achilles Hurryup, Pandora 3 ball locks and multiball, hades bash, Ball Buster MB (captive ball mb), Second wizard mode for starting all monster/gods, Main wizard mode of 5 levels for completing monsters/gods. I probably would have played for an hour if I got far Oh well, I tried, maybe tomorrow, lol.

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now you are just rubbing it in that you get to play

Love it, wish I had the funds to put down a pre-order now but don't.

Please make mine now.