Only time will tell.

For our selfie league here I don't believe it will. Whether our month is worth 6 WPPRs or 12 WPPRs, our group here is mainly interested in the competition. I've failed to reach A division most of the months due to the dedication of our player base.

I can't qualify in A without showing up and playing, so that portion of the selfie league is still the most integral. It may not be worth WPPRs for that part of the process, but I can't beat Zach for the month if I'm sitting in 5th or 6th for qualifying. The only answer I have is to get off my ass, put more $$$ in the games, and keep playing.

It's the tic tac toe method. Every breakdown you can think of better meet that 50% threshold.

So that means you have to play 2 out of the 3 machines, AND play at least 1 out of the 2 games on that machine for the player to count as 'fully participated'.

We can create a custom ranking based on city of the tournament no problem

I posted this on Tilt Forums, but thought it was worth posting here as well regarding the imminent DEATH OF SELFIE LEAGUES. It's always important to keep perspective on how the changes actually impact the players participating. There's always a race towards assuming this change is going to grossly alter the universe of the WPPR system forever, when in reality we're talking about peanuts.

Anyway, here's my TF post:

This is about making the world rankings more accurate, and the selfie leagues are simply overvalued for "what they are". It's taking advantage of a system that's built around events being organized and run by volunteers who spend countless hours, money and energy putting something on.

Compare that to the "effort" it takes to run a Selfie league, which for me is entering a score from my phone at my leisure, and finding a clever comment to post on Facebook along with posting a picture . . . and showing up for 90 minutes once a month to run a final. It's really a f*cking joke (and I say that because I created it, and I still think it's awesome, and I still think it has a place in this wide world of competitive pinball . . . just at a reduced value based on the play where that TD is putting in that time/effort/energy like they have to do for every other tournament on our calendar).

If we wanted to help out operators we would value all Selfie leagues at 100 points minimum. If we wanted to help boost the business of JJP we would offer a 5X multiplier in WPPR points for any tournament that uses a JJP game in the lineup. Unfortunately the benefits for the operator from WPPR's is more of a collateral damage sort of thing rather than the goal of the system.

Right now our SSL averages about 10 WPPR points a month. Anyone that finished outside of the top 4 got less than 2 WPPR points for their performance. Next year our TGP will go from 64% to 24%. The winner will be getting ~4 points instead of 10, and anyone outside of the top 4 will see a drop of LESS THAN ONE WPPR POINT each month for this change. For anyone in the bottom half of the field, we're talking HUNDRETHS OF A POINT difference.

If that less than one WPPR point difference is going to ruin everything for operators, TD's, players, kids, puppies, etc, then someone needs to prioritize where WPPR's fall in their life.

Cheers to Hilton ... Who got one extra year of selfie league WPPRs over the rest of us

http://www.ifpapinball.com/2017-ifpa-nationalswomenspin-masters-championships-head-to-dallas/

The big announcement is that courtesy of Stern Pinball, the 2017 National Pinball Champion will receive a brand new Stern pinball machine as top prize!

Never keep your comments to yourself . . . I live for this sh*t

I know Marcus is helping us fill the bank of 12 machines needed, but we are definitely looking for some help on this (especially for some modern games). Shoot me a PM if you have a game that you wouldn't mind donating to the cause and I can make sure Marcus is aware as he's putting things together from the ground out there.

No . . . the $100 fee is for that state to be part of the SCS for a given year. It builds the prize pool for those that are able to participate in Nationals. We have seen some luck getting a local business to sponsor the SCS for a given state by funding the $100 Nationals fee. The entry fee from the state players can then go back 100% to those players. Might be worth looking into up in WI for you guys.

We're simply able to now offer a prize pool of $9000-9500 for Nationals compared to previous years of $4000-4500.

With the top prize going to National Champion we'll be able to spread that cash around deeper to the other finalists.

Looking for 4

Convince the AMOA to have their industry trade show in Wisconsin

We're only moving to Dallas because that's where "real work" takes me.

2018 the AMOA is moving us back to Vegas.

You might have a better chance sweet talking him than I do, or have Dani talk him into it

They make Zach and I work hard for their support and sponsorship. Fortunately we don't mind.

I'm not sure where Nationals is held has any impact on the growth of the sport as a whole.

IMO the media attention that we're able to generate throughout the SCS and Nationals campaign does far more to move the needle.

From an industry perspective tying it to the industry's biggest trade show is also an important factor. Stern's belief in the importance of competitive pinball has only been increased based on the excitement we're able to generate by being an industry function. If the timing worked better my preference would be to have it on the show floor itself.

Only needing 12 machines the PHOF has been 'fine' for us. Having IFPA5 there and getting 60 games ready .... I'll agree that was insane.

Looking forward to the Dallas contingent next year, and there's a chance we move to Flipperspiel for 2018. I've never been but have heard great things about that location.

I have a hall pass from the wife to move the World Championship around . . . I don't have that same hall pass for Nationals.

All she knows is that I have to go on my annual business trip for work for the Spring show, and yeahhhhhh there's also some pinball 'stuff' going on as well, but it's definitely not a "pinball trip"

May she never read Pinside and find this post!

There will be some year where something comes up and it ends up in my basement.

2018 actually poses some real issues I've put off dealing with. The trade show is typically in that mid-late March time frame, and I just found out the dates are like mid-late FEBRUARY for 2018.

With SCS day typically that second weekend of February, it makes it really challenging to run Nationals the weekend after and ask everyone to find their was to Vegas on such limited notice

Appreciate the offer . . . I'm more likely to shift everything back in the schedule to accommodate the trade show so we can still utilize that industry exposure.

The second likely possibility is to team up with Level 257 here in the suburbs where we run our Super Selfie League and have them donate some space for us to bring in 12 games from local collectors to pull this off. This assumes they are still open for business and flying high with pinball nearly 2 years from now, which is never a certainty.

The one part where you hosting fails includes me having to let my wife know I have to head up to Wisconsin for 'something', after just being out of town in Vegas for work

Haha now that's something I might be able to work with