I have some good title's if u wanna come down and play some sterns.... im also getting a lotr soon

Seriously

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My recommendation is: Get a Stern, but don't give up your WPCs!
I love them all.

because of the theme?

If it is for the gameplay then might as well just get a Congo which is cheaper and twice the game with better shot geometry, ruleset, and FUN factor.

My suggestion is get a gottlieb! You can find many great titles for only a small percentage of what a new Stern costs.

Also GTB sys3 is by far the most rock hard system out there. Get them running and they are tanks.

You are recommending Rescue 911 over Tron?

Tron is one of the worse Sterns in the past ten years. Seriously crap game with a bunch of fanboys and people that appear to like spending more time putting mods and light up everything on the game than actually playing the game.

I am recommending Stargate, Teed Off, Cue Ball, and rescue 911 over a single Tron. Four games for 1 crapper is a good thing in my book. Stargate alone is a better game than tron. Throw in a teedoff and cue ball and you have way more fun than tron and for less total money.

Same here. I got on a tron recently and thought, man this layout is similar to Congo but....this game is bleh.

I found that TSPP was the perfect compliment to my WPC collection. It has a lot of polish, fully packed playfield, deep rules, and a lot of character. Keith Johnson really made this game something special with the rules/choreography.

Some newer sterns to me don't have this charm, which is why I've tended to avoid them for my home. However there are some Stern gems you shouldn't miss.

Of course you should if there are games you find fun and like the theme, I wouldnt worry about who made them too much, both have their good/bad things.

Go to this thread and think about it: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/hey-stern-are-you-serious

...until you pull the plunger and launch the ball into play. that is probably the worst launch shot of any game i have ever played. i owned it for 6 months or so until that and the callouts caused me to terminate my relationship. ...and Amy

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i couldn't agree less. congo is not on the same level as tron. I guess that's why they make red cars and green cars

are you serious?

super skill to kickback to mytery scoop is super satisfying and a legitimate skillshot! One of the best skillshots in pinball.

dead serious. congo has one good shot. the volcano. all that garbage up on the top where you play catch with amy? please...

Someone needs to give games like Earthshaker and Whirlwind rules like a Stern. Just a thought.

that is funny to me since you own tron. Does that mean in your opinion Tron has zero good shots since it is missing the volcano?

Congo is one of the best examples of a layout using the entire pf in both width and depth. It has close tight shots(MAP scoop and Mystery scoop), nice feeling longer shots (left orbit to lock), deadly center shots (travicom targets), great upper flipper shots and use as a deflector at times, wonderful left ramp return shots which also prevent raping with the divertor, and the commonly accepted best shot in pinball up the voncano.

I can agree lower pf is somewhat silly but it only lasts a few seconds and you could turn it off.

Playing catch with AMY is fun and gives the game personality plus does a nice job of bringing in the movie.

I love Congo, but he could just as easily flip that argument on you since "it's funny that you own a Congo."

These fanboy war threads are the worst.

I said it above. that's why there's red cars and green cars. I don't want to alienate you since you had some really nice compliments on some of my work. I'm just saying I owned both. Congo is gone. Tron will likely never leave. It's a very immersive game. Not a fanboy either whatever the F that means

this is on topic for the OP since he was mentioning a tron but is a self admitted WPC Guy. No reason to buy a tron unless he loves the theme. Congo is by far the better player and layout offers more variety than tron. No reason for a WPC guy to go Stern for a copycat game. it is like the sequal than fails compared to the original

I think I am heading in that direction. Love playing B/W pins but owning them can be a headache with all the issues. My ST has been rock solid, great sound, great lighting, and deep code that keeps me trying to reach new levels. It has had issues but they have all been easy to fix even with my low skills. It's nice having a few classics but don't think I will pursue owning many more.

Sterns are all deeper, but they're deeper and recently all feel the same to me from game to game. WPC games had character. There are better ones, there are worse ones, but they were allowed to be different.

I have three Sterns, but only one modern Stern. It's all I need.

gotta love when opinion is stated as fact with such conviction. Also please note that tim curry is a way better actor than jeff bridges. the way he pulls off the accent in this superior movie and game is unparalleled.

The rules on Whrilwind are already perfect. Why screw that up?

this is a a forum... No real reason to put "IMO" on every post. It should just be assumed.

That said, it is factual that Congo is the far superior player
Tron is great if you liek to add light up ramps, light up leg protectors, light up plunger, light up bats, light up every damn thing you possibly can! No theme lends itself better to over modification IMO

Congo: "They're Watching" oooooooh powerful stuff.

Should be more like Congo: "The Miracle Whip to Tron's Hellmans"

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Stern games are reliable, deep, and fun. They are the best pinball machines ever manufactured.

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They are both really good games and they both have faults. Unfortunately the best shot on Congo (the volcano shot) is never required to do anything. Yes it can give jackpots and an extra ball but I can complete every mode on the game without shooting for it once. It's still a good shot just not implemented well in the code. The upper loop is awesome when you combo it several times.

Tron is great for end of the line combos and has great theme integration and just enough code to keep you coming back without it being stupid deep like many newer sterns. I think the Gem shot is poorly designed though and cannot be made without a ton of luck on many trons.

Both great games though so there's no reason to fight about it.

OP, get a HUO stern that you like. They are great games. Fast, furious, and reliable.

Congo was a turd when it was new and time hasn't improved it. The only reason it and BSD seem to be getting attention now is that the good games are too expensive, so they don't seem as bad in comparison.

As for TRON, I bought it NIB so maybe I'm biased but it's one of the better Sterns. I don't consider it equal to Williams' best like AFM, MM or even MB, but it's certainly better than the cavalcade of failure that is the Stern lineup 2000 to 2008.

So is the argument that Congo is possibly the best wpc? And Tron is the best Stern?

But someone only likes the lights on tron while the others like the game

And there is a cool shot in Congo that is only cool and not super useful

And the skill shot on Congo is super easy and on Tron it's a challenge that is right under your nose

Doesn't Congo have Gorillas and a lower playfield? Doesn't Tron have a spinning disc and an insanely hard Gem shot?

I think the real question is : how many girls are in each game?

I wouldn't exactly consider SM or LOTR failures even if they were not my cup of tea.

TRON or IMVE......both different from WPC " feel" and great games....TRON polarizes for some reason.....I'm on the plus side, as mine is bolted to the floor ( nothing wrong w some bling on a pb, btw)...play it almost every night...

Nope congo and bsd are actually really good games .... they have been in my small but nice collection the longest and get played just as much as my other top expensive pins lol.

Im one that perfers congo over tron. Ive tried to like tron bc of the layout and theme but i just cant get into for some reason . Maybe one day it will click with me but congo is just great fun , great layout , tons of cool ramps diverters and mechanics.

sorry I side tracked the thread.

In an effort to get it back on track, what do you like/dislike about each of your current pins?
how many do you hope to eventually have?
do you like tinkering or prefer to play?
budget or space constraints?

WPC Guy Here. Should I Get A Stern?

Probably, yes.

hahahaha, yup. There's the real gauge!

Now that's some funny shit.

When I started collecting about 3 years ago, I started with all 90s Bally/Williams pins, 8 of them, because that's what I was familiar with. After about a year, I added AC/DC Premium. Now, a couple years later, I have 4 Sterns and 4 B/Ws. Modern Sterns have a different feel than B/Ws. Not necessarily better, but different, and I appreciate the variety. That being said, I still plan to add MM, Tron, and perhaps MB at some point.

So, try some Sterns out and, if there's something you love, add it to the collection.

No apologies necessary amigo. All exciting stuff there, I believe every collection no matter what size needs an 80's game with no ramps, like an early Bally or stern.

When you get a bunch of people together competing for score, the fun really comes out, just something about them

The problem with making sweeping generalizations is that obvious exceptions often make you look foolish.

For example:

• The Simpsons Pinball Party - 2003
• Lord of the Rings - 2003
• Spider-Man - 2007

I always ask my self this question when considering buying a pinball machine

Is it Pinball?
If the answer is :yes
Then I ask myself this question:
Can I afford it?
If the answer is : yes
Then I ask myself this question:
Can I fit it in my game room/garage/shop
If I can answer: yes, then I buy it

Sterns are fun too, they need a home too.