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WOZ Witch Red Smoke Mod $400 (List is closed)

By gouveia

7 years ago


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Post #1253 Flying Monkey Video Posted by gouveia (5 years ago)

Post #1713 Monkey mod wait list Posted by gouveia (5 years ago)

Post #2400 Monkey mod install video. Posted by gouveia (4 years ago)

Post #2776 Flying monkey pics Posted by gouveia (4 years ago)

Post #2966 Monkey installation video Posted by gouveia (4 years ago)


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#40 7 years ago

Also interested!

Don C

1 year later
#1388 5 years ago

Oh what he hell, I'm in for the Monkey and for the Witch if ever re-run.

Don C.

1 month later
#1619 5 years ago

I would like to be on the monkey list. I originally, asked to be on the list on post 1388.

So this is my official request to please be put on the list.

I would also like to be on a witch/smoke list if you ever go back and do those.

Thank you,

Don C.

11 months later
#2651 4 years ago

I'm in for #3, no matter what it is.

Don C

#2749 4 years ago

I am in if you run the witch!

Don_C

1 month later
#2968 4 years ago

I installed my Monkey this weekend, and it was not as smooth as the video. In the end, the Monkey works fine, looks great, but the video lacks detail in spots, plus game-to-game variations cause issues which are not covered. Here are comments for the video and for Jersey Jack design/manufacture.

Full disclosure: I am an 'old'. Been a mechanical engineer for over 40 years. Restoring pinballs for over thirty years. More disclosure: I have a massive Snap-on Tools tool collection, I have tools you have never even dreamed of and I certainly was glad to have them for this. If I was an average tool owner with some typical worn out Phillips screwdriver of average length, this monkey would not be installed and the heads of the door screws would be completely cammed out. Crabby old guy part: I did not enjoy the video, I just kept thinking, "your jokes are lame, and you are not showing the details I need, stop wasting my time". I would really prefer line art diagrams and text instructions, (much easier to refer to instead of rewinding the video over and over) on-line or in the box. Paper instructions could stay with the game and help the next owner. Install time about one hour.

- Remove old monkey, move coil and install new monkey: video does OK job of showing and describing. Good explanation of the reason for moving the large washer, but the need for re-using the small one on top is glossed over, plus no close ups of the washer installs and the tightening in place of the coil. Good explanation of how to come in straight and move left to align holes. Lots of talk about proper dressing of the wires but no good close ups.
- Removing door: they said it would be hard, and it was. No way you can get a good straight shot at the lower screw without removing a lot of parts on the Castle PF. Screw head stripped out easily. Had to use a needle nose locking pliers to get it out, that scratched the door decal slightly, but that was the only tool that would remove it. Putting the new screw in was just as difficult, finally had to use a very, very short stubby #2 Phillips with a 1/4" open end wrench to turn it while applying pressure in-line with the screw. Likely wrong thread, burred thread or I crossed the threads. Anyway, it is very likely you will have trouble with the door screws.
-The door spacer: Why is it "L" shaped? Why is a washer glued to it? It only goes one way, but the video could have mentioned, or better, shown how the spacer fits. No close up in video is a big miss. I think I did it right, but lack of detail makes me wonder.
-The "Wedge": video does a pretty good job of explaining the purpose and placement of the wedge, but the photos and the video of the exact location and line up of edges is useless. Still photos are beyond useless. Still, because of the explanation of what it was supposed to do, I had no problem installing it first try and it works well and looks good.
-Monkey Nose/ Castle Wall Interference: This is mentioned in the video but not shown. The nose of my monkey was hitting the edge of the castle walls. Parts are provided, that is nice. No mention of how to remove the plastic rivet; the 4-40 screws provided are bright silver, so on the one I used I blackened it with a Sharpie; instead of the white plastic tubular spacer, i just used (2) 4-40 nuts on the backside of the wall. The spacer would need to be trimmed to length to avoid the wall being pushed too far forward. Nothing shown in the video to help installer understand and use the parts provided, and the interference is easy to miss noticing. If you didn't notice the interference, you would scratch off the monkey's face.
-The light: I understood the 'wires to the right' update, and the 'fish through the holes, keep wires away' hint but the video shows absolutely no detail on where to put the light. I caught the easily missed audio mentioning 'in line with "Surrender Dorothy" text, but the visual part of installing the light is not useful. Too far away, bad angles and no way to tell how far to go in from the front edge of the plastic. I went with close the front to avoid a wood edge that hangs down and might block the light. The monkey glow is a bit underwhelming, hope I did it right. Easy to find connector and make the new connections.

All in all, a good product with poor instructions; leaves me wondering if I got the details right. Jersey Jack: Low grade hardware means screw heads cam out easy. China made "Phillips" head screws are not actually made to the Phillips standards, so China avoids paying Phillips the licensing fees, so they never call them "Phillips head" (actually a big problem in industry in general https://www.instructables.com/id/When-a-Phillips-is-not-a-Phillips/ ). Thanks goodness I had nice fresh, sharp edged Snap-on Phillips head screwdrivers. Maybe I should get some cheap China screwdrivers- they may fit their hardware better than a 'made to spec' Phillips screwdriver. Don't get me started on China metallurgy. I swear they throw their old socks in the molten steel.

Don_C

#2976 4 years ago

I liked the video as an overview, but not as the only installation instructions I could find (for a $300 piece of game jewelry on an $8000 game).

All MY jokes are also lame, so I should not have made that criticism...

Definitely going to pick up the little pliers.

Still want the witch 'n flame mod.

Wife loves the monkey!

Don C.

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