Nice review and the owner sounds happy.

(I would take the AC/DC over the WOZ)
YMMV.

"John's Arcade" is just a dude with a camera. I enjoy WOZ as well but you're acting like this is some prestigious stamp of approval with some massive clout or something.

It looks nice, but quite slow. The video helped me make up my mind and turn towards AC/DC Premium.

John's Arcade is one of the best YouTube channels I watch. Goes into detail and I get to see great games! I love his new podcast too!

You made your mind up based on a video? Play it first. Woz is far from slow. Especially setup aggressively and not factory defaults.

I still can't imagine the look on my wife's face if I were to drop several grand on a pin with "ruby red flippers" as a grown man. Different strokes for different folks rule the world, though.

alex,
you know a release date for the next code has been programmed?

It sure would be nice to get a chance to try to WOZ, but so far I have been unable to do so.

Hmm. Not sure of any going to Finland. I'll check though for you.

Certainly mirrors my own experience. A great new day for pinball.

True, so we should take your word over his? You are just some guy posting on the net.

His voice is no less or no more than any other voice. He does a great job at stating his point.

I think the LED's in the Wizard of Oz look light years above the ones in the AC/DC next to it. The AC/DC just seems to be blinking haphazardly where WOZ seems much more controlled.

Nice game play video with some good information.

He seems very excited.

Chris

Easier to explain to the wife than a game with a simulated electric chair execution on the playfield.....

Yes, any one looking for a fast, fun pin would agree...

"I still can't imagine the look on my wife's face if I were to drop several grand on a pin with "ruby red flippers" as a grown man."

Not sure which one of you that says more about..lol..

Anyways... "John's Arcade" has been around a long time.... he posts on KLOV quite a bit. Personally, I refuse to post on KLOV anymore because their moderation ratio from Pinside to KLOV is about as much of an increase from RGP to Pinside. It's ludicrous. You can't even fart over there without getting a warning unless you're one of the Old Guard.

Its just a beautifull machine, no doubt about that. And the gamepay starts to grow on me (only seen videos) since last update, and now i am very interested to see what they do: all out and keep on refreshing things, or is this done in a few months. I hope it just goes on and on for years.

If they do, i might start a saveplan to once in my life spend thousands of euros for a toy. Cause, you only live once, and when you love pinball, then why not. But it will be a hard few years of saving, lol.

Anyway, this game is fantastic, the only thing i dont like is the theme. But at the time i got my saved money together, there will be a JJP pinball with a theme i do like.

The Hobbit can be it.

Just a fantastic product, and at this point of time, there is no way i would buy a stern machine. Not because they are not fun, but come on.... this is next gen pinball for me. And there is were my money would go.

Nice review, i liked it.

I couldnt imagine the look on my wifes face if I spent several dollars on a pair of real ruby red slippers. Ones on a pin are cool though!

I have the acdc right next to my WOZ. they both are great, acdc is blinding fast, while WOZ is playing a true work of art , with an amazing game design, that can be fast and furious , especially during 3 or 4 multi balls.. its extremely challenging to accomplish the upper playfields on the right and/or left playfields , while also maintaining ball control on the remaining balls during multi ball

I'll say this again...

WHERE IS THE FREAKING GI?

Seriously...how could they forget? It looks like the darkest game ever made. Do you have to play it with a light above it to even see the ball?

Super...super legit game, but how could they forget some "working" GI?

Am I wrong?

I played the WOZ at the York show yesterday for 20-30 minutes - I left thinking that this is the best pinball machine made. I also think it is the biggest advance in pinball since PIN2000.

I played my WOZ last night for the first time in a while. To be honest, I hadn't paid very close attention to the most recent software update. The game is really starting to gel. With each release, new things are added, and everything becomes a bit more polished. It's going to be a phenomenal game when it's done!

....relax on the GI lighting ............geeze , here we go again ...........pinballbulbs .com sells an additional lighting for 120 bucks that comes with apron and back playfield led light strips as well as multiple spot lights on posts, 2 double spots on hex posts to be precise.............the game is off the hook, its ok , you can admit it

The JJP bash boys are running out of material as this one grows into a great pin with the code updates......

It will be sitting right next to my Ac/dc premium next week......

Next week huh, good luck with that ..

I enjoyed the video. I think WOZ is shaping up to look awesome, I'm very impressed with it. It was late, it's slow, blah blah, I don't care, since I won't own it, just get to enjoy it as some cool pinball technology and design. I just can't get past the music, that Yellow Brick Road theme would just drive me up the wall. I don't even mind the theme, it's purely the sound that really does me in. There's no getting away from that.

The Hobbit though might be something I'm really tempted by, hoping it gets the same level of attention, plus the benefit of all the learning experiences WOZ generated.

I thought the same thing about the sound and music, but after over 100 plays on mine since I received it I can honestly say I don't mind the music at all. I actually really like some of the call outs and sounds (slings ect)

"SHOOT THE SPHERE WITH SPEED",is now my favorite after hearing it 500 times a game .

Whats one more week after 100 or so....

( The guy in the video waited 32 months / 128 weeks)

I agree that the GI is dim, but I have no problems playing mine with no room lights on.

Edit: As to the "darkest game ever made" thing, there are much worse out there. TAF and Mephisto have got to be way up there in regards to poor GI. Those two are definitely ones that I need an overhead light for....

I also played woz at York. What really like about the game is the ball save feature of save toto or shoot for rainbow. It makes the traditional ball save require some skill.
What I still don't care for is the center 2 ramps are basically the same shot up the middle. I also didn't like the pop bumpers as you couldn't see or feel them. You just hear the audio and we were like is this a virtual pop bumper cluster? I thought the mini pfs are a waste and don't do much but I liked the spinning house effect. The flying monkey jammed in the back could have been done better I thought.
Overall I thought the game was pretty good. It wasn't slow because they jack the legs to the max in the back.

Just like NBA Fastbreak, both out lanes have the same feature .

I actually tilted trying to get the rainbow ball save feature from the balloon

I could listen to AC/DC's music all day long. Could only handle..."Weeeeeeee're......off to see the wizard" so many times before wanting to trade it. To each their own.

Yes, the ball save features are pretty cool, however, the rainbow one is a major PITA to complete. I came close today...I spelled RAINBOW, shot the wizard and the crystal ball, hit the right orbit, but just as I was trying to hit the ramp, the ball drained. Someday I'll get it!

Ah, but if you can actually make the shots and save your ball, it's probably worth the tilt to attempt to light the ball save. That ball save won me a tournament on Labor Day...seriously. Saved the ball twice in one game off the left side drain.....and the RAINBOW lights weren't working to boot so you had no clue which letters you still needed. All you could do was shoot letters over and over again until you got them all.

Well I guess I'll just say this, no way I'm even thinking about an LE. But I am looking forward to playing it with real code (I've only had a couple insta-drain balls on an early prototype) and seeing how I feel about it. If in person I fell in love then I'd just look at what a standard would take. But Hobbit is a theme that in theory I'm much more interested in.

Can anyone tell me out of curiosity what the street price on the standard WOZ cabs looks like?

The thing that impressed me most about the video was that the flying monkey had to be tinkered with to get it to work. For a machine that JJP knew was a home use game. Sent to an early adopter. Would love an explanation from a JJP person on if that should be viewed as acceptable and why. And save the "hundreds of moving parts" argument, as that's just an excuse for poor quality control.

Twenty years ago when a new machine was set up on location it almost always would need some attention from a tech/operator. News flash: that was twenty years ago.

That was one persons way of fixing a specific issue with a game but it's obviously not the proper way. There haven't been any reports I can see of shimming needed on the monkey mech so who knows. The screws on the back of the playfield holding it in place could have been slightly loose causing a misalignment and instead of finding the root cause the owner put in washers? There's no way to answr that question. And no the game wasn't designed for "home use". It's a commercial product as pinball has always been

Never meant to imply the game was designed for home use. I realize it's a commercial product. What I was saying was that JJP knew the game was not going out on location (no DBA). Did you watch the video? There were some other problems too. So, by you saying, "It's a commercial product as pinball has always been", I should expect JJP products to need a certain amount of adjustment because that's been the status quo in pinball manufacturing? Point taken.

Also, fwiw, I'm giving the owner of the machine the benefit of the doubt as it appears it's not his first time at the rodeo.

While acknowledging this guy's particular problems, it's important not to generalize. I haven't had any of these problems, nor has anyone else I know with a WOZ.

His reviews are so annnoying. He's like an excited toddler.

Well.... My game traveled 3000 miles in a truck to get to me and I have only had to make one very minor switch adjustment that took less than a minute, I have had no other issues with the game. My thought is that if someone is unable/uncomfortable Making adjustments to a pinball machine maybe they should stick to video games
Disclaimer: I have had to make small adjustments/tweaks on every NIB machine I've ever owned ... not a big deal to me.

Agreed. Just that for someone who had literally waited years for the product, seems unacceptable that the headphone board and flying monkey were not working properly, plus the issue with gouge.

I actually really appreciate what JJP is doing and the level of quality they appear to be aspiring to. Rooting for them to exceed expectations.

Ha - that video game quip made me laugh. But maybe what you said about having to make adjustments/tweaks is part of a larger point. Design and manufacturing have changed a lot in the past twenty years, but not so much with pinball. We're still ok accepting that NIB pins need to be fiddled with. If that's just the nature of the beast, maybe the beast needs to go on a diet and exercise program.

You should see it next to Star Trek.

It looks like it's not even turned on.