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Totally sad making that public. All I can say. If indeed true.

Why is this sad?

It is an exploit that could give one player a HUGE advantage over an opponent.

And the video posted shows exactly how abusive the exploit can get during a game.

Now, it is a tough point to reach. But with practice, a player could reach the Emerald City MultiBall and quickly separate himself from his opponent, especially if the opponent does not know about the exploit.

In my opinion, exposing the exploit levels the playing field between players. And Tournament Directors can decide if they want to keep WOZ in competitions.

As a Tournament Director, I would be ok with WOZ in a head to head competition. The exploit still requires a tremendous amount of skill to reach and execute.

But even if a TD decides to keep WOZ out of his/her event, at least players would be aware of the reasons.

Marcus

Guess having a choice whether to get screwed over or not is sad, then sure...it's sad.

Guess if you're one of the IFPA Elites that knew about the bug and were confident enough with your WOZ skills to use it, might be sad...for you.

Personally, I don't see this as an elite-difficulty bug to take advantage of. You're talking about less effort to get to "phase 2" of the multiball than it is to start the multiball itself. Once you're there, it's throne room, a rollover, and another throne room to start rolling. It's really going to come down to how generous the TR kickout is. If it's brutal...this isn't an issue. If you can catch the ball on EITHER flipper right out of the throne room....well.

Thanks for sharing.

Jeepers. When I heard there was an exploit I really wanted to know it. Now that I know... Well I can't hit the Throne Room during ECMB for shit. I get through the ramps, but then my skills let me down. There is no way I'm keeping 100% control to even come close to exploiting this

Why is it sad that it is public? Keefer will fix it. He is one programmer that we can count on.

Put yourself in the programmers shoes is all I'll say and comment about.

I should add that I have no knowledge of the bug/exploit at all before this thread popped up. (EDIT)

It's hard to believe, but the guy is human after all. I don't see anyone that's all up in arms like "JESUS CHRIST DUDE WHY DID YOU DO THAT?"

Clearly, it's not intentional in the fashion it's being employed, and as deep as the ruleset is here, come on... I'm pretty sure that everyone here will keep loving his rulesets and the fact that he's going out of his way to get an update pushed through for it just shows his dedication, so I don't get your point, at all.

If anyone is threatened by this bug, download this update (it only works on top of 4.10).

The game gets vaccinated. What's next, neutered!

I don't know this game, played it maybe 3-4 times in early code, but from what I see this has to take place during a multiball, right?

So, after competing phase 1, enter phase 2, and while keeping one ball under control/cradled/out of the way, repeatedly hit the throne room, and avoid any other rollovers to avoid completing the specific collection requirements for each character. This allows the player to exploit the jackpot. Right?

Is it that easy to do with the glass ON? How does the throne kickout? Since we just saw some hand manipulation with the glass OFF, is the exploit actually executed by trapping on both flippers, making the throne from the left flipper, transferring the cradled ball right to left, catching the throne kickout on right, and repeat?

I guess my question is: Is it really an exploit, or just not the way the rules were intended? Seems to take some skill.

Unintentional behavior, because the jackpot grows without limit. A hypothetically exploitative situation would be: 2 balls cradled on right, tap one up into the throne room, and if the kickout is friendly, it'll bounce off the left flipper to the right and back to a cradle for rinse/repeat.

I rest my case. Awesome.

Definitely not intended based on keefer's feedback on the subject.

Thanks, Keefer, for your dedication to an enjoyable and balanced game, and taking care of the scoring bug.

It looks like the official fix was just released:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/wizard-of-oz-411-now-available

Why do you think that they would not exploit location games?

And with the new ticket mode coming, that could actually be profitable if the bug existed in the ticketing version of the code,

The bug has nothing to do with Pindemption™.

As far as people not exploiting it, of course they will. People like being dicks. I guess it's human nature.

Yeah, I'm not going to call it that.