WOZ Throne Room clear chipping &amp; connector fun

Blue wire connector is the same 3-pin connector so no. I haven't torn down much else on the game but I know I had a similar issue trying to take out the plastic ramp. The OZ lane light plastic had no disconnect on it and thus could not be left on the ramp when removing the ramp from the game.

#4 10 years ago

DEN

Colehvac1

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You need a molex pin extractor tool, they sell them at radio shack

#5 10 years ago

KED

iepinball

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Yes, I have one but my point was why should I have to use it to remove something that should be easily removable. Very odd design decision.

#6 10 years ago

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clg

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Have you contacted JJP? They should do something for you that should not happen.

#7 10 years ago

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iepinball

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I've already been "compensated" plenty for other issues I had upon delivery and I don't expect anything for the chipping at this point. I'm simply putting it out there to see if anyone else has the same chipping upon inspection and to warn those without any about it.

#8 10 years ago

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cal50

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A square quick connect and a round hole.....amazing.

#9 10 years ago

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j69

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Not ideal with the connector but no different to having to desolder wires on any other pinball

#10 10 years ago

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indypinhead

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To me, that looks like a design flaw on JJP's part.

That hole should have been slotted.

I wonder is the cliffy protector would have helped prevent the clear coat from chipping.

#11 10 years ago

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hank527

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I swear WOZ is horrible to work on. It was not built for maintenance. Such is pin #1 you will have problems here and there.

#12 10 years ago

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gambit3113

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CA glue time.

#13 10 years ago

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Dang - that hole is banged up...... Wonder why the rest of the playfield doesn't do that....
I hope having a cliffy installed will maybe cause the ball to "hop" when flying in there and prevent the ball from smacking the side of the hole. I remember Cliff saying the rounded holes would hold up against wear, but apparently not the clear. Hope Cliff sees this and reconsiders his protector design.

#14 10 years ago

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DCFAN

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It looks like the Cliffy would help a lot since you have damage on the top surface that works its way down the hole from the crushing force at the top.

#15 10 years ago

KED

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I'm sure the Cliffy would help a bit but not completely. When I first saw this I noticed it was the clear over the edge of the hole that has started the chipping. You can see it on the left side of the hole where the clear has not chipped on top but has cracked over the edge of the hole.

#16 10 years ago

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Concretehardt

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The throne room hole seems really tight! when the ball dropped into it on my WOZ it was such a close fit the ball (for lack of a better description) would vibrate as it dropped into the hole.

#17 10 years ago

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ChrisHibler

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I've seen that same clear coat cracking on my buds WoZ. Too bad, but not surprising. That hole takes a beating. Look at most TOTANs.
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#18 10 years ago

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lordloss

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You're gonna have wear and tear no matter what.

#19 10 years ago

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Breadfan

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Hmmm. I was the tester for Cliff,& don't recall having that connector problem when tearing down the throne room.

#20 10 years ago

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Quoted from Breadfan:
Hmmm. I was the tester for Cliff,& don't recall having that connector problem when tearing down the throne room.

How's your throne hole

#21 10 years ago

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Skins

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The throne hole is tight (lol) and I tried finding where cliffy meantions the fact that the hole walls are vertical as apposed to and angle ala TOTAN saucer. Cliffy mentioned that this design of a straight up and down hole lends itself to damage more so than one with eased edges.

#22 10 years ago

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vid1900

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Quoted from mountaingamer:
How's your throne hole

Quoted from Skins:
The throne hole is tight

nice

#23 10 years ago

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Gomer1969

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I have the same chipping but more so on my wizard kick out hole. I will clear coat to help just like you.
What type of clear coat are you guys using? Is one better than another?

#24 10 years ago

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MrBally

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Quoted from Breadfan:
Hmmm. I was the tester for Cliff,& don't recall having that connector problem when tearing down the throne room.

OP; What is your game's build date? maybe this has been changed.

#25 10 years ago

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iepinball

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My build date is 11/18/2013

#26 10 years ago

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Propaganda

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early adopter issues!

#27 10 years ago

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Skulz

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That really isn't too bad compared to the one at CP where there is paint chipped off around the hole in two spots (black circle). Chuck bought a set of Cliffy's since and just needs time to install them.

#28 10 years ago

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PW79

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Quoted from Skulz:
That really isn't too bad compared to the one at CP where there is paint chipped off around the hole in two spots (black circle). Chuck bought a set of Cliffy's since and just needs time to install them.

When bad things happen to Chuck it makes me sad

I swore Jack said his games wouldn't need cliffy's due to magnificent design but I'm not 100%

#29 10 years ago

Darcy

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Quoted from vid1900:
nice

Clearly we are in the presents of a Double Entendre Master.

Very very funny. Thanks VID1900.

#30 10 years ago

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Rarehero

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Quoted from PW79:
When bad things happen to Chuck it makes me sad
I swore Jack said his games wouldn't need cliffy's due to magnificent design but I'm not 100%

Yup, he spoke about the clearcoat being the latest and greatest....yikes!

#31 10 years ago

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vid1900

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It's not like JJP has some secret formula for magic clear coat.

It's a pinball machine, it's going to wear.

#32 10 years ago

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cal50

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Steel ball bearing Vs Clear coat.
I will bet on the ball every-time.

Now how they terminated that quick connect is interesting logic.

#33 10 years ago

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PW79

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Quoted from vid1900:
It's not like JJP has some secret formula for magic clear coat.
It's a pinball machine, it's going to wear.

Agreed

I bought a beautiful HUO almost unplayed TSPP. A month later my I&S saucer looked like the OP's Throne room saucer So I bought a protector & put a stop to that shit.

It's weird how I can see a routed TSPP with a bajillion plays that has no I&S wear but my unplayed game becomes a victim. I would bet this throne room saucer will be the same way. Some will have it, some won't. I wonder if some PF's have a more crisp defined edge along the saucer & that's why they wear faster?

#34 10 years ago

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MrBally

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All I can ask is that the dozens of preorder fanboys that were bragging how WoZ would be the best built, highest quality pin ever apologize to those of us who questioned how in the world they could claim that prior to a production game ever being delivered. They have been proven wrong.

I was chastized for questioning their claims of greatness. Plus, whenever I or anyone pointed out inconsistencies in any JJP hype, we were chased away with pitchforks.

The threats of legal action were priceless.

#35 10 years ago

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mountaingamer

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Quoted from MrBally:
The threats of legal action were priceless.

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#36 10 years ago

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mountaingamer

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#37 10 years ago

BRI

mountaingamer

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Oops - those weren't pitchforks

#38 10 years ago

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MrDo

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Quoted from MrBally:
All I can ask is that the dozens of preorder fanboys that were bragging how WoZ would be the best built, highest quality pin ever apologize to those of us who questioned how in the world they could claim that prior to a production game ever being delivered. They have been proven wrong.
I was chastized for questioning their claims of greatness. Plus, whenever I or anyone pointed out inconsistencies in any JJP hype, we were chased away with pitchforks.
The threats of legal action were priceless.

Exactly!

Fanboys really don't get that you don't have to HATE something to be able to see obvious flaws and/or question inconsistencies. Of course we don't WANT anyone to have damage/delays/defects, but we wouldn't be a community if we didn't discuss them.

#39 10 years ago

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chessiv

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Quoted from MrBally:
All I can ask is that the dozens of preorder fanboys that were bragging how WoZ would be the best built, highest quality pin ever apologize to those of us who questioned how in the world they could claim that prior to a production game ever being delivered. They have been proven wrong.
I was chastized for questioning their claims of greatness. Plus, whenever I or anyone pointed out inconsistencies in any JJP hype, we were chased away with pitchforks.
The threats of legal action were priceless.

The real joke is the fanbois bragged about quality before machine one was ever done. They had no reference to even make such a claim. But many of them still defend against reality. God love them, everyone has to have a hobby.

#40 10 years ago

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PW79

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I hear the WOZ clearcoat was going to chip pinballs lol

#41 10 years ago

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vid1900

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Quoted from PW79:
I hear the WOZ clearcoat was going to chip pinballs lol

Ah, that's how my balls got tore up....

#42 10 years ago

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pinstor12

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Anybody seen Panzer?

#43 10 years ago

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Quoted from cal50:
A square quick connect and a round hole.....amazing.

I found an example of that on my Williams Roller Games the other day. I sat there for some time trying to figure out how I could be looking at it wrong. Reminded me of those brain teaser puzzles.

#44 10 years ago

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OLDPINGUY

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I would hope they might send you a replacement mini-playfield, but not my call.

I have seen this happen on other games, and it is a clear coat failure.

Maybe that area still had dust, or other, that the clear did not lock into the wood.
Maybe the wood on the Throne room hole was a little "moist"

Would the UV cured product work faster and better?
There is the thread on insert usage.

#45 10 years ago

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lordloss

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Quoted from OLDPINGUY:
I would hope they might send you a replacement mini-playfield, but not my call.
I have seen this happen on other games, and it is a clear coat failure.
Maybe that area still had dust, or other, that the clear did not lock into the wood.
Maybe the wood on the Throne room hole was a little "moist"
Would the UV cured product work faster and better?
There is the thread on insert usage.

If I were jack, I'd roll my eyes at all the nit picking. Games get worn down, clearcoat isn't forever. If you guys don't want your games to wear down, take out the balls.

#46 10 years ago

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Lonzo

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Quoted from lordloss:
If I were jack, I'd roll my eyes at all the nit picking. Games get worn down, clearcoat isn't forever. If you guys don't want your games to wear down, take out the balls.

At 250 plays? I don't think so. On a route for a while, maybe.

#47 10 years ago

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vid1900

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