Excuse me, but the text below looks like a huge complaint, and you are saying enough of the complaints.......double standard?

Enough with the troll accusations too. I think most of the drivel around here is spewed by JJP fanboys. Not all of them, some are just genuinely excited like I am but some of them are militant and attack anyone even daring to politely state worries or negative opinions of any kind. By all means defend the accusations but give it a rest with all the complaints eh? You'd think that you don't have any decent arguments to use as a reply. If the naysayers are spouting such drivel it shouldn't be that hard to correct them without resorting to namecalling.

Pinside Dictionary

Troll=1.)someone who has a bad opinion of a game you have ordered, or have in your collection.
2.)someone who has a different opinion than yours.Your opinion is always right.
3.)you just don't like this human's views
4.)characters on MM playfield

Yep, I seen plenty of it when I ordered my first and only NIB pinball machine . That is just the way it is .
Jim

I deploy automated factory and CNC equipment. I redesign factory flow and streamline processes.

Even much larger and experienced companies grossly underestimate the amount of time it takes to train a new batch of unskilled workers - and then streamline the process steps. It takes months until new workers come anywhere near their expected proficiency and output.

JJP has no manufacturing experience at all, so rather than string everyone along with "next week we will have machines in test locations" every week, they should just say Christmas 2013.

That way if they can get their game together earlier than that date, they will look like geniuses rather than constantly pushing the date back and looking like fools.

They don't have the flippers working properly yet, so they can't even set the pitch on the game.

If it was only software, they would have dozens of machines to show, not just a single specimen to drag around.

If it was only software, they would have 100s of games assembled, only awaiting the final software install. They would have a factory full of workers learning to do assembly steps, testing boards and completing assemblies. The owner's manual would be complete and available for download.

There is a member here who drives through JJPs parking lot ever week to see when the production has started. It won't go unnoticed.

Until then, I look forward to the first production game!

This is what pinball people act like when someone makes a post about their pinball machine ..

I'm sure part of the EM scoring was due to added cost from more score reels. Before score reels when the back box would light different scores, the games had scores in the millions.

Jim since you came back in the thread and are on the topic of trolls, is there any chance you will explain your 50,000 reasons comment. I am still very curious and unfortunately am not part of the inside super secret club.

Ok..fair enough. Since I've been signed up for 2 years, maybe I'm overly optimistic and guilty of drinking the JJP "kool-aid"

I also agree that JJP's open development process, updates, and bogus timelines/deadlines have been disappointing. I've been involved in 5 high-tech startup companies and unfortunately starting a company isn't without speed bumps.

Nevertheless, I still fully support JJP and hope WOZ turns out great, whenever it is delivered.

It was explained pages ago. Misunderstanding re: PPE donation pledge

You are crazy dude. Test pin any day. WoZ shipping before Thanksgiving. People will have them by Christmas 2012 for sure.

Me too.

I already have mine.

Part of the question is what sort of production volume will they shoot for or be able to achieve? At first 10 games a week would be a major accomplishment. I have never had the impression that JJP was initially shooting for the type/size factory that Stern has and would end up somewhere between a boutique seller and what Stern is in capacity for the WoZ production. So while it is possible that games could start on the production line by early 2013, how long will it take until even the 1000 LEs are produced let alone the addition Pro games?

Averaging 25 complete games a week seems like a big number for a new factory. That would mean 40 weeks to produce 1000 games. Even at 40 games a week there is a good chance a significant number of people won't receive their games by the end of 2013.

Sounds like a busy guy.

If you want to call him out at least take the time to go back and read the thread. Its all there.

Or stalker.

LTG

Or someone with no job who is likely sucking up my tax dollars on welfare.

I read the thread. Jim NEVER replied or answered other than saying>>>

I read the post about PPE >>>

but never saw a reply from Jim>> did I miss one???

Is PPE what you were talking about Jim?

It's on his way home from work he has said, LOL.

The factory isn't on any main road. In fact it's about 3/4 of a mile from any main thoroughfare.

What that means is your friend drives 1.5 miles out of his way to check up on a company who he likely is not a customer of. That means he is A) an obsessed stalker B) has zero life C) probably an escaped mental patient.

Or it's on his way to work every day.

Pappy

Seriously?

Why wouldn't people be glad that he was doing this? Wouldn't it be great news when he lets us know that there were a ton of cars in the parking lot at the factory?

No it's literally in the middle of nowhere. Unless he happens to work cutting lawns for the state I doubt it

OMG he must be crazy to drive 1.5 once a week!

Pappy

Sorry to offend you. But it's a bit stalkerish. Ring the bell next time you drive through.

When you match on a number, it's randomly assigned too.

Jim mistakenly connected dots between Clay donating to PPE via his repair guides, PPE needing to reach a 50,000 fund raising goal and Jersey Jack pledging a free game to PPE should they reach that goal.

Jim told me he regrets his post and was unsure of how to write an explanation without suffering a continued backlash.

Jim was wrong here but in his defense I have seen many people connect dots such as this on many subjects. I can guarantee we will see it again in the future. Lesson for all of us here going forward.

Kim

Thanks VERY much for clearing that up Kim. That makes completely sense.

If Stern would have done this there would be an uproar. C'mon, you know it's true. But, because JJP is doing it, it's okay.

I think it is about even, but here is a great example of your point:

Might it be that this person knows there is a LOT of interest in this subject and many are tired of the misdirection? He is doing us all a favor and gets called names by the fanboys. Hopefully the above quote was a joke.

If they add 3 zeros to the end does that make everyone feel like they accomplished something? I'll write a patch when the game is released to add 3 zeros.

Please point out a lie? I haven't seen one? Missed guesses on dates yes. But where is the lies you speak of? I'd like a bulleted list please.

I'll release the next "must have mod" for WOZ: A piece of mylar with "000" on it that can be attached to the LCD. Only $29.95! Limited quantities! Order now!

Could be someone who is retired and living off of a defined benefit pension plan. Oh, sorry, wrong thread.

Who the hell are you to judge people for what they do on their own time?

I don't feel like arguing so I edited out the word "lie". Even still all the talk of "test" games and missed shipping dates borders on it... Seeing the video of the game last weekend with alpha software, there is no way they were even close to putting out a test game in July or August.

Jesus, Alex. Can you please construct the Perfect Levy Post just once more, and alter the course of the universe for us in one fell swoop? It will require:

1) Vast overreaching and hyperbole about someone's words or actions;
2) some form of Conservative spew - preferably about welfare or unemployment;
3) vague reference to some official tie between you and JJP;
4) a blatant swipe at Stern;
5) a good amount of self-congratulation about your technical prowess;
6) a reminder that no one else on the board will understand the actions you shall take using said prowess; and
7) unwaivering compliment for WOZ and JJP.

I will get my helmet while you write away.

Well I guess it depends on your definition of "lie". You use the word "guess", which is fair enough I suppose, but for example, weren't we told that a test pin would be on location in July. Then it became "no later than Labor Day"? Then it was said it was going to be delayed by a week....or two. October is just a couple days away. Where is the test pin that was going to be on location?

Edit: actually I think the first test pin was supposed to be in March or April?

Toe the line everyone. These are opinions. Merely opinions.

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Nothing more than opinion. All opinions are judgements by definition.

So basically you are saying. Who the hell am I to have an opinion. Wow the nerve of me.

All of your opinions are judgments, that is for sure. But not all opinions are judgments, and not by all persons. You can't spell judgments, yet are very judgmental. But I don't judge you for that. It's just my opinion that the fact is quite funny.

I'm not a conservative in the least. Can't stand right wingers. Or left for that matter.

I made no swipe at stern? I own a few. Thanks though.

Nice word, hyperbole. Someone's been reading again! . Let me use A few. Your posts at trite and unimaginitive; at the same time trying to be pedantic yet is nothing but discernment. (Quick grab a dictionary)

I have no official tie with anyone btw. Keep flailing.

Hahahha. Now that's funny.

Yes, I know this. That isn't what I wrote.

All true, except he is an early investor in WOZ.

Stay on track and stop attacking each other. You guys know better. You can have opinions but you have reverted to bickering. When a person posts a picture of them eating popcorn or IBTL you have gone to far.

why do you need to keep saying its OK for JJP? The love/ hate goes both ways. With that said, I have been the same all he time, I would love to see all the scores low for all manufacturers. If Stern did it I would be happy for them and glad to see it there as well.

You are probably correct that some would scream. The same people that complain that two pins have too many shots that are the same do they hate them would complain that the scores are different. Makes me laugh how people will say they want to see something different but never shut up if something is actually different.

You are completely correct. The argument that high scoring is needed makes ZERO sense.

If a game takes 100 well placed shots and you score 1,000,000,000 is changed and that same game with the same 100 well placed shots scores 1,000,000; did the fundamentals of the game change? No it's literally just a div/1000.

The fact people get hung up on that is mind boggling. It wasn't a problem on sys11 games? Did the advent of dmd's suddenly make shots more valuable? Was the screen real estate so in need of filling tha extra zero's were used to feel complete?

You sure sound like one. Liking Ayn Rand just makes you a different type of right winger, call it libertarian and pretend its different if you like. I dont mind right wingers, living in the South i am surrounded by them.