Nobody ever brings that up when Duff and Slash do interviews, either. Nobody has the balls. At the end of that UYI tour, they were barely over 30yo, and because of the alcohol levels fueled by coke both Slash and Duff were literally dying. Slash had to have a pacemaker, seriously, a pacemaker installed. Duff's insides rotted out, and his pancreas nearly exploded. They were marrying crackheads and F-list actresses, and Axl demanded ownership of Guns because he didn't want to be partners with these crazy new wives. Makes perfect sense to me.

Axl stands mute on the whole thing, and it doesn't seem to bother him that the general public regards him as completely insane, while viewing Slash and Duff as these do-gooder working class musicians who were forced out of their band. When in reality, when both quit, one was a full blown junkie and the other clinging to fragile sobriety, focusing on their own solo projects and on a Guns new album not at all. Pretty funny.

Very disfunctional, and a lot of blame to go around, but it's just funny when you read the mis-informed opinions of the general public on Guns/Axl/the breakup/etc.

You're right. 1 ramp.. Wtf... A few machines by your savior the king only had 1 ramp, one of which is credited with the revival of pinball in the 80's... But yeah. Wtf 1 ramp.

Clueless.

Cmon Alex. You can make a valid point without getting upset ; )

You are right. My bad.

Jesus made pinball machines?

I hear he built a hotrod!

Yes, he built them in Chicago before he left for New Orleans.

Nice! (they should have never remastered Tres Hombres)

Yup and then he was crucified by Pontius pinside for having only 1 ramp. Lol

If you remove every band that had junkies there would have been no good music. I don't condone drug use but comon, sex, drugs and rock-n-roll. Plus you're completely ignoring that Axl didn't have any of the druggies around while taking 10+ years to make the most expensive cd in history that was just ok IMO (although critics and sales numbers tend to agree with me.) If Axl booted those guys, created a kick-ass cd in 5 or less years I would have to agree with you. But he went through musicians like scott weiland went through drugs and faded into oblivion. Give the complete GNR lineup the credit they are due.

Scott Weiland really didn't fade into oblivion. Actually the opposite.

The guy sold 22 million records through stp and VR. Won a few Grammys.

I'd love to say Eddie Vedder disappeared into oblivious because after VS. they just started to really suck. (Note there are a couple of ok songs on vitalogy)

You're in the jungle baby....You're gonna dieeeeeet.

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Axl faded, not Scott.

Weiland didn't sell anything in vr, the rest of the band did. He sucks.

I saw Alice in Chains in '91, then Anthrax, Megadeth, and Slayer came out and made everybody forget. STP was a clone.

Stp was a pj clone.

Also anthrax megadeth and slayer were out a long time before 91 lol

I think he was talking about the tour in '91 when AIC opened up for all those guys.

Yes I was. Thank you! How much more do you need in one show. Another one that comes to mind was Exodus, Suicidal Tendencies, and Pantera at UC Irvine a short time thereafter.

Funny Stern ACDC makes you forget about all the rest. Can't mis what you don't have.

You're confusing the romanticism of the Stones, Stooges, etc and their chasing the dragon approach to music with what Slash and Duff were doing. They left for the UYI tour as functional alcoholics and came home nearly dead from the cocaine/alcohol combo. Neither could get out of bed without a drink/snort. They famously made a drink before they went to bed, because they'd be shaking too badly to make it when they woke up. The level of play of the band suffered as well. Anyone who followed the UYI tour could see the music slip into 'plodding' instead of a swinging rock band. That's from 3 musicians trying to keep the amount of alcohol in their system required to stav off the DT's, and yet fuel up with the amount of coke necessary to perform and function. 2.5 years later, both Slash and Duff were closing in on death.

Axl took a long time, and there's no accounting for why it took the final 8 years or so. Most of us heard ChiDem, without Sorry and Scraped, around 2000-01. And it was exactly the same mixes as the release, or very nearly, same vocals. But that wasn't the point I was making. We all KNOW that Axl has some issues. But everyone ignores the issues he had to deal with. Namely the addictions of Slash/Duff. Have you ever tried to communicate with a drunk person while sober? Everyone piles all the blame on Axl, and some of it he's earned. I wasn't ignoring that, simply giving a different perspective that nobody but real Guns fans usually understand. Not to mention, he had to basically rebuild the entire band and try to release an album to the level of the name GNR. A tough task. He basically started around 97. I believe the reason it took from 2003-2008 was lawsuits and things like that. He hinted at as much in an online chat he did around 2008.

Once again, this is what a lot of general fans believe. But, once again, Axl did not boot anyone. In fact, he begged Slash to stay, took him to dinner, called him around the clock, called his father, his mom, etc... begging him not to leave the band. Duff was sober when he quit (a year later) and there was no band activity at the time, so it was less of a blow to Axl who I think knew he'd have to completely rebuild the band anyway, with Slash gone. It was Slash who he knew would throw the future of the band into total rebuilding, which is why he begged him to stay. Basically the opposite of 'booting.'

Nobody is taking any credit from any version of GNR. I've followed the band since they broke when I was in 8th grade, to now. I was called into the VP's office wearing the infamous "rape scene" Guns shirt in 9th grade, and had to turn it inside out (still own the shirt, sells for hundreds now). I've never not been a huge Guns fan, and forgot more about the band than most will ever know. I was not over the moon about ChiDem, but like I said, by the time it was released, we'd all heard most of it for years... it wasn't some huge anticipation for hardcore Guns fans. The only songs we were surprised by were Sorry and Scraped, which are good songs, not great.

The album itself is very good, but was digested slowly through leaks and bootlegs for so long that the drama of the final release was lost, lessening not only what you get to see and hear but the 'wow' factor of the ultimate unveiling....

The most similar factor between ChiDem and WOZ will be that. WOZ has been slowly unveiled and updated over such a long period of time that it seems tame by now. If Jack had waited (wasn't an option I know) to unveil everything all at once, well everyone would be convulsing on the ground, rolling around, hurting with anticipation for a imminent release. Instead the slow digestion has deflated what we all see, especially when we can't play it properly, in a completed state.

I guess it was just me that thought the OP was refering to a democratic government in the country of China , Not the kind of GNR album.

Are you an airline Pilate?

I heard WOZ was going to ship with a free copy of Half-Life 3.

Axl and Izzy were the real talent behind G'N'r Slash admits he can't write a song to save his life. If slash was so great why has he written no good songs since 1993 and don't tell me the Snake Pit or that fake Super-group who had writers outside the band count for anything. Look at the song credits of your fav Gnr songs you'll see what I am talking about! Also Chinese Democracy is Brilliant! I've been a musician and in bands for over 20 years and that is my favorite album in the last 10. I am going to put it on now!!!! Better, Steet of Dreams, There was a time nobody in this forum that knows anything about music can listen to these 3 songs and say they suck or aren't up to GNR standard! AXL FOREVER!!

And Charlie's Signature on every cabinet!!

Your story leads back to no one wanted to work with axl. Because he was a great guy? I highly doubt it. All the other gnr guys still get along and make great music with other bands. Axl still goes through musicians like water further proving he's the problem in the first place..

Its b/c you don't know what good music is!!!! Nobody talks crap on AXL around me!! HAHA

What "GREAT" music has Slash or Duff made, am I missing something? The only song that was half-way good on Velvet Rev. was "Fall to Pieces". Matt Sorum is a studio drummer at best and Izzy the 2nd half of the real talent in Guns quit b/c he hated playing with Matt.

I like velvet revolver and slash's solo cd. Matt is a studio drummer at best? Do you know that most studio musicians are technically some of the best musicians around. All steely Dan albums were made with studio musicians.

BETTER............Greatest song yet.

So Stern pinball shouldn't be call Stern pinball b/c its not all the original guys?

Slashs last two solo albums are excellent. Surprised no one has mentioned them yet. Myles Kennedy is just as good as axl was too.

Yeah b/c Myles Kennedy has sold 50,000,000 records and is a household name like AXL. He's a bum and Slash is a hack. Name 1 song that Slash has sole credits on. All he's ever done is contribute a solo or lead lick and he gets so much undeserved credit for what he is and does. He's nothing more than a brand and Pepsi can. I guess if you were a top hat and can use a Wah-Wah pedal during the 80's and have a good PR dept you can fool the world into thinking you have talent. Oh and he likes snakes. I got to get out of this thread I just can't stand Slash. Axl and Izzy were the real talent of that band from day 1.

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