Ottawa, ON
So I noticed Mezel MODs (mod father) and Back ally creations both sell the formed castle walls and tornado RR upgrades for WOZ. Does anyone know which set is better/higher quality?? I definitely want to pick up a set
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Quoted from QuarterGrabber:So I noticed Mezel MODs (mod father) and Back ally creations both sell the formed castle walls and tornado RR upgrades for WOZ. Does anyone know which set is better/higher quality?? I definitely want to pick up a set
Back Alley. Matt uses molded resin to make his walls.
69 green to 49 red so far. Thanks everyone for all the input. I've decided though I will try to buy a ruby red. I'm now firmly in the red camp. Wife still likes the green more but I told her that with the red we'll get the toto toy, torndado toy and also the molded castle walls. I like the red topper better now too.
Quoted from pcprogrammer:69 green to 49 red so far. Thanks everyone for all the input. I've decided though I will try to buy a ruby red. I'm now firmly in the red camp. Wife still likes the green more but I told her that with the red we'll get the toto toy, torndado toy and also the molded castle walls. I like the red topper better now too.
You can buy all that stuff a la carte anyway. And I think the light-up Mezel tornado is way cooler.
Good luck. You will not be dissapointed. Just one last remark, you can easily buy the three toys but you cannot buy the wooden apron 
Quoted from zr11990:Make sure you like the game before you buy it. I mean REALLY like the game. I tried to like it but in the end I couldn't stand it and the game I received was a POS.
That's very helpful in a 'red or green' thread. 
Quoted from QuarterGrabber:So I noticed Mezel MODs (mod father) and Back ally creations both sell the formed castle walls and tornado RR upgrades for WOZ. Does anyone know which set is better/higher quality?? I definitely want to pick up a set
I bought the Modfather walls, the Mezal tornado, drop target, throne room pots and Emerald city 3D. I have alot of respect for Matt and his company, they make some really cool stuff, but the $$ isnt worth it with the walls I think. I love the way mine look for 1/3 price.
Humble, TX
Quoted from Spencer:That's very helpful in a 'red or green' thread.
Ok then, green. I don't like the red. I only said what I did as a curtisy. I would not want you to buy a game that you think you liked after a few plays then decide you didn't down the road. I wanted badly to like mine but after a while I would just turn it off mid game and walk away. But you are a big boy, you don't need me to tell you that.
Quoted from Spencer:I bought the Modfather walls, the Mezal tornado, drop target, throne room pots and Emerald city 3D. I have alot of respect for Matt and his company, they make some really cool stuff, but the $$ isnt worth it with the walls I think. I love the way mine look for 1/3 price.
I did the same thing. Doing the mod additions to the ECLE (green) makes it look better overall than the RR in my opinion.
Quoted from beelzeboob:You can buy all that stuff a la carte anyway. And I think the light-up Mezel tornado is way cooler.
+1 on this!!!.....except I have both tornadoes on mine ....they are both cool in their own way, and neither block the insane sign.......danger if you don't pick the one your Wife wants....just sayin'..... 
Quoted from pcprogrammer:69 green to 49 red so far. Thanks everyone for all the input. I've decided though I will try to buy a ruby red. I'm now firmly in the red camp. Wife still likes the green more but I told her that with the red we'll get the toto toy, torndado toy and also the molded castle walls. I like the red topper better now too.
Just out of curiosity....have you seen a RR and ECLE in person? I have...they are both gorgeous, and the green definitely doesn't take a back seat to the red, looks wise ( wood apron doesn't hurt either). At the end of the day, buy the one you and your Wife like and , and enjoy it...kind of a win/ win scenario.....
Yes, seen an ecle in person and a standard. I'm not going to focus on an ecle because I can't find one for sale near me, been looking for 6 months. I've never seen an RR, just pics but I think it looks stunning.
Quoted from pcprogrammer:Yes, seen an ecle in person and a standard. I'm not going to focus on an ecle because I can't find one for sale near me, been looking for 6 months. I've never seen an RR, just pics but I think it looks stunning.
Ahh....hate you haven't been able to see an RR in person....as said many times previously, pictures never do these games ( any of them) any justice. These are definitely not just plain powdercoats.....someone needs to help this Op see these with his own eyes ( I only own an ECLE w/ direct print cab, but have seen/ played an RR several times). Perhaps you would be open to a pm from a Pinsider (being you don't post your address, which is cool), to find out if there is a couple somewhere near you.
I only suggest this as it is a lot of money, and would hate for you to stumble across the " other" color someday and go " oh crap".......good luck....
Quoted from zr11990:Ok then, green. I don't like the red. I only said what I did as a curtisy. I would not want you to buy a game that you think you liked after a few plays then decide you didn't down the road. I wanted badly to like mine but after a while I would just turn it off mid game and walk away. But you are a big boy, you don't need me to tell you that.
Thank you for your input on the game 
. But I've played it enough to know I'll love it. I find I really like deep games. WOZ has some super deep rules .
My wife and I debated this very thing earlier this year. We went to order a RR and when calling found that there were a couple of the last built ECLE's NIB available. It tooks us a couple days going back and fourth to decide as both colors look great. Fortunately either way you get the same fantastic game.
For us the ECLE won for the following:
- direct print clearcoated cab
- wooden apron
- true LE, and at very end of run so no light board or other early glitch worries.
- prefered movie phrases vs 75 anniversary text on backglass
- additional toys were all available aftermarket already
But that 75th topper is nice! We asked if we could have the 75th topper with our ECLE and it was a done deal.
I do wish we could have seen a RR in person as I'm sure that red is spectacular judging by how fantastic the green looks in person vs in pictures. But ultimately other factors besides color swayed us.
Quoted from merccat:My wife and I debated this very thing earlier this year. We went to order a RR and when calling found that there were a couple of the last built ECLE's NIB available. It tooks us a couple days going back and fourth to decide as both colors look great. Fortunately either way you get the same fantastic game.
For us the ECLE won for the following:
- direct print clearcoated cab
- wooden apron
- true LE, and at very end of run so no light board or other early glitch worries.
- prefered movie phrases vs 75 anniversary text on backglass
- additional toys were all available aftermarket already
But that 75th topper is nice! We asked if we could have the 75th topper with our ECLE and it was a done deal.
I do wish we could have seen a RR in person as I'm sure that red is spectacular judging by how fantastic the green looks in person vs in pictures. But ultimately other factors besides color swayed us.
If I could get a NIB ECLE for the same price as the RR I'm going to get I'd probably do it. For the reasons you stated above, especially the wooden apron, I would rather have a late run ECLE. Unfortunately, a NIB ECLE would be a little hard to come by now. I'm sure there are a few floating around out there, but most are probably going to try to cash in a little on it. The price I am going to pay for my Ruby Red is about as far as I'm willing to go, I don't want to pay a bunch more for a NIB ECLE.
Yeah if its a big price difference I would go for the RR. When I was looking they were priced about the same.
Quoted from merccat:Yeah if its a big price difference I would go for the RR. When I was looking they were priced about the same.
I guess I am just assuming there would be a big price difference at this point, since a NIB ECLE late run would be a little rare now.
Quoted from merccat:My wife and I debated this very thing earlier this year. We went to order a RR and when calling found that there were a couple of the last built ECLE's NIB available. It tooks us a couple days going back and fourth to decide as both colors look great. Fortunately either way you get the same fantastic game.
For us the ECLE won for the following:
- direct print clearcoated cab
- wooden apron
- true LE, and at very end of run so no light board or other early glitch worries.
- prefered movie phrases vs 75 anniversary text on backglass
- additional toys were all available aftermarket already
But that 75th topper is nice! We asked if we could have the 75th topper with our ECLE and it was a done deal.
I do wish we could have seen a RR in person as I'm sure that red is spectacular judging by how fantastic the green looks in person vs in pictures. But ultimately other factors besides color swayed us.
truth!!!....
Green! When i think of the movie i think green is most appropriate.
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Quoted from lurch:Green! When i think of the movie i think green is most appropriate.
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If there was one within 300 miles of me I would have been all over it. I would have preferred a huo woz. But after months and months of waiting and not finding one I have to go nib.
Quoted from pcprogrammer:If there was one within 300 miles of me
No idea where you are located ... looks like one is near Cleveland. Lots of mods listed.
Newcastle
I bought a nib rr woz. Quest now over. Didn't come with factory mylar though, so I have to get some of that put on and cliffys. Booted right up and worked perfect out of the box. Updated to newest code.
Awesome, Congrats!
Got a couple decent games in on mine tonight. Also learned a lesson about tweaking coils too much lol. Maybe two weeks ago i adjusted the slingshots down after they sent a ball flying all the way into the shooter lane and then forgot that I had set that. Well the game has been kicking my ass without mercy and finally tonight as my wife was complaining about how the game started hating her a couple weeks ago and the slingshots would just send the ball down the sides almost without fail... Then it clicked... I had adjusted the slingshot strength.. Duh! Put it back to factory and presto, I'm back to averaging 300k
Wierd how seemingly minor tweaks can make the game so much more difficult.
Quoted from merccat:Wierd how seemingly minor tweaks can make the game so much more difficult.
You will have to tweak adjustments from time-to-time as things break-in and/or wear. I'm just really glad that JJP gave us the ability to do those adjustments and to be able to do them minimally. A little tweak here and there to get that gut feeling that it is set juuuuust right.
Contact jjp about mylar. My hobbit was missing some and they are sending the custom cut piece no questions asked. Love jjp support. Congrats on RR. An amazing game and mine will never leave.
Quoted from KingBW:You will have to tweak adjustments from time-to-time as things break-in and/or wear. I'm just really glad that JJP gave us the ability to do those adjustments and to be able to do them minimally. A little tweak here and there to get that gut feeling that it is set juuuuust right.
Oh yeah, absolutely! The diagnostics and coniguration options available are spectacular and I have left my bumpers turned down a bit and my ball trough tweaked as well.... Just noting that sometimes you can go wrong with an adjustment and impact play.
One thing I would like to see is an adjustment for the randomness of the TNPLH heel click.
Quoted from pcprogrammer:I bought a nib rr woz. Quest now over. Didn't come with factory mylar though, so I have to get some of that put on and cliffys. Booted right up and worked perfect out of the box. Updated to newest code.
Congrats!!! ( could tell you were leaning that way)....enjoy...great machine!!!
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