Bought my WOZ LE used in January and I really like the game play, the creative use of callouts both from and not included in the movie, the LCD screen, and much more. Was at the pinball show in Denver on Friday and Saturday and WOZ always had the longest line of people waiting to play it of any of the 140 pins at the show. This includes the new Sterns or "A" games by B/W. My hope is some how the Hobbit will be even better and that JJP will be a great maker of pins for a very long time.

I was at the show Saturday from 9:00 until after 8:00 and every time I checked (a lot) the lights were working fine. The line for it was usually fairly long.

I have 3.0 and have played many games on that version and have never seen flipper frenzy-weird.

Seems like I remember somone saying an update is coming. Would be shocked if it makes any major changes but we'll see.

Thanks I'm going to blame the fact that I've never killed the witch on this and try the adjustments you suggested. However, it might just be I'm not good enough yet to kill her, but there have been times it did seem like so shots might not have registered.
Maybe it will be obvious when I look, but how much and in what way, did you bend the two metal tabs?

Congrats and awesome and fun game you had!

Congrats!

Yes--awesome! This is one reason I love WOZ, so many kids and not usual pinball fans loving it. Kids and adults always see it and want to play it when they come over to my house. My elderly mother-in-law really enjoyed playing it when she visited us.

Anything a kid wants more than ice cream and is healthy is awesome!

Love hearing how children and young ones often love WOZ! I've heard that so many times and even though some were lukewarm on the theme, I think it was a great choice by JJP and has attracted some non traditional people to pinball. My mother-in-law when visiting likes it and so do many kids and even teens and adults who have come to our house. Most also like MM and the first time or 2 they have a castle explode is awesome to watch their reaction. Stern has made many terrific games and no Stern bashing from me here as I do think Stern has many positives. However, some of their themes including old rock bands, WWE, and others vastly adult oriented themes aren't great for non pinheads. However to be fair POTC, IM, Star Trek, SM, LOTR etc, etc. were certainly good choices for the non Pinheads as well as for those of us into this as a hobby and passion.
Personally I love the theme of WOZ and think it's a terrific pin! I'm also looking real forward to seeing TH and Pat Lawlor's games being released. Go JJP and thanks for bringing many great things and creativity to pinball!

"I'm not a fan of the armor color and I really don't like all of those signatures. To each their own, but to pay less money for the way I prefer is was a sweet deal."

You know what you prefer and should obviously go for it. Just a side note. I have seen over the years about 7-8 ECLE, 1-2 standards and only one Ruby Red. There's things I like about each including the topper on the Red edition and just seeing the standard for the sake of seeing a non LE version. Looks very nice to me and unlike some non-LE's of other games has identical game-play. I own a ECLE but if I had known the Ruby Red was coming would have slightly preferred it above all of the editions. But then again glad I got my when I did and waiting even longer would have been difficult. I'm glad there's now 3 choices and also neat that TH has choices as well.

Still trying to melt that darn which and have gotten oh so close several times including recently and then failed! Drat!

I have my game set at 6.5 degrees and every once in a great while get a ball hang up. Does setting it to 7 degrees help this? It gets hung up on skill shots without a full plunge towards the pop bumpers, ie. going for skill shots. Rare but annoying when happens. Also still get shots that rattle around despite all attempts and suggestions in adding a plastic and making other adjustments to attempt to make plunger shots not hit or rattle around some times.

I bought mine with Cliffy's installed except the Munchkinland, which I painted emerald green adn the installed per somone's suggestion on another thread. Since the VUK's do get a lot of play with steel hitting wood I'm glad they're on there. I think at minimal protecting the Munchkinland playfield wood with a protector is the absolute least to do.

Read in the manual carefully which wires to take out, i.e, don't tkae out more than needed or miss taking out ones you need to as it's a pain to go back with the playfield up at that point as you'r working on it. Be very careful as it's possible to pull the tiny wires out the cables on some of them (ask me how I know!) and that could require needing a new cable. Also I write with a sharpie the locations of what goes where so it makes it easy to remember how to reinstall the wires. However that's really not necessary but optional.

"I get a ball stuck issue right here on about 50% of my soft plunges. I have NO idea how as there's nothing to catch on. Anyone else?"

Rarel,y but every once in a while I've had a ball get stuck there and just nudge the machine. Would love to know if there's another fix/solution.

Wow never seen that before.

Yes I have. I thought maybethe wireform had gotten a little bent or something but turning down the power fixed the issue.

Cliffy's every-where but around the playfield insert is how mine is. Especially need on the Munchkinland mini-playfield.

Castle Walls look better than the stock ones and don't block anything.

I did put decals on the Rainbow stand ups and very much like how they look. I don't have decals any where else and prefer it that way.

Personally I think the witches well looks better than the plastic thing it comes in, but haven't ever bought this.

You can buy I guess all of the movie figures, tornado and other things that are on the WOZ RR edition but I've never seen anyone actually do that. From what I remember seems like it was a lot of $.

There are lots of other mods available for WOZ. But to me the one that is most necessary are Cliffy's to protect things from getting worn and if that was the only mod I could do, that would be the one.

I don't know if auto parts stores sell Mist-n-shine but I've found it at motorcycle detail shops and of course on Amazon. Alex of JJP mentioned it for use on WOZ. Best product I've found re: wax is P21S, also recommended by Alex. I use it all WOZ, Stern and B/W pins. A bit pricey, but great product IMHO.

Per seeing someone else having done this before me, I painted the Cliffy around the Rainbow with Emerald Green and I think it looks nice. Just a thought. And yes removing the playfield there's good instructions in the manual and not too hard.

Do those here who own WOZ still have the black rubber rings or have you converted to white or other colors? I replaced the originals when it was time with black except for green ones on the slings. I tend to stay with whatever the manufacturers tested the games in when in development, but then again not always.

Yesterday a screw fell into one of the pop bumpers areas and I didn't know it until I turned the game on. A pop bumper keep firing and then I discover the screw and got it out of the machine. Since then the winged monkey won't move especially to go back up to the castle. I assumed something shorted maybe a transistor. Any ideas?

Just tried again today and after about 5-10 minutes it started working. Best I can tell something got jammed just barely enough to foul things up. So thanks for the suggestion and nice it was a relatively easy fix!

Wish I just had walked away last night before I got so frustrated! I should know by know not to work on pins late at night and when tired of trying to get one stubborn problem fixed!

Every once in a while when I turn my WOZ on my crystal ball shows weird numbers and no pics bt never noticed this during certain modes. Note is the second SD card and was so bad on first one after awhile I got it replaced.

Wish I knew of a place to get cables. Have at least one out and would like 2-3 just in case needed in future.

I know jumping motherboard has been covered and know how to do that. Recently every time I try to play a game after game has been turned off, I have to jump start it. Get the no signal error every time I switch the game on. Tried putting motherboard from Hobbit I own into WOZ and it starts and plays great with that board So probably a problem with the WOZ motherboard? Fixable or replace?

Get the no signal input and attaching a USB keyboard it does nothing to see to help unfortunately. Software is on current update.

Basically I have to jump start it thaen it starts the fans and goes through start up mode and plays after that. But jump starting every time I want to platy has become old. Anithrr board when place in Hobbit and WOZ works great. No problem. But the mothrrboard that dedicated to WOZ-- neither game can it start up without a jump start. Thanks again for suggestions so far and future ones!

On mine tried resetting the RAM, redownloading the latest software update and clearing CMOS. Maybe a board issue. Still have to jump start everything I hit the other switch to play any games.

Sorry for my delayed response but thank you so much for the info and Links!

Still an issue. Tried a different board but can't get any to work in WOZ or Hobbit. So two boards that won't work in either machine. One tries to start in TH but can't get past showing the bytes downloading. And 2 boards I get signal error on WOZ.
So in summary original board from TH works in both machines but I can't currently have both playable only one as have to transfer one working board. Jump starting and use of keyboard hasn't helped either.

Sorry you had that much trouble! Do you mean you had replace the most of Mother board and the game main board! Oh my
Not sure why my game will boot up fine with Hobbit board. But not 2 others including the original WOZ and one bought on line that's same as Hobbit has in it. Guess I don't understand why it can be jump started but not start with on switch to the game.

Will maybe it was because it was late but last night no luck with bios and getting WOZ going. Will try again today but feeling discouraged as I seem to have no skills or understanding in how to solve this problem.
Love WOZ but frankly I've had a lot of issues in keeping in working especially for a home use game in 7-8 years of owning it. This I blame on my poor skills not JJP.

LTG has helped me so many times for many years with games from EM's to early Solid State to current pins. I'm so grateful he continues to be of such great help to many people.

Miss you being with them a lot!

The left hinge on the playfield on my WOZ broke. Basically game is unplayable as there's no way for the playfield to not fall into cabinet. JJP since these are no longer available. Anyway have ideas of something I could substitute so the playfield can be put upwards when game being worked on. And in it's normal position for game play?

Awesome thanks for as always being so helpful LTG!

Thanks I'll give that a try.

Top one is good hinge on Hobbit. Bottom two are broken one of WOZ. I did contact another person in parts at JJP to have them recheck to see if they have it available for purchase.

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Still trying to see if JJP might have the playfield hinge bracket assembly,. especially since used WOZ to Wonka. If not yes having one made seems like best option.

I beginning to think this is best option please. Contacted a different person at JJP as it seems like they should have this since used in several of their games.

Then call jack and tell him you miss LTG : ) and want him back.

Just so glad you still offer your excellent advice and help regardless of manufacturer, including JJP. Personally I first discovered your help on RGP several years ago and then Pinside. You've helped me in more ways than you can ever know including practical advice and encouragement. Thank you! And yes Jack should never have let you go!

Response from JJP finally that WOZ and Wonka hinges are different with a drawing sent. Wondering if Wonka one would be able to made to fit on WOZ. Otherwise looks as if having a new one made might be best option.

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Sorry so long in responding. Thank you for the info! Had never heard of FreeCad before.

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This question has me wondering what green was used on powder coated things in the Crystal Edition. I have some areas of bad wear mostly my fault in moving playfield up and down.

Glad you gave that info as. might tried it.
Sounds bad!
But frankly had enough issues without screwing up coil and other settings I've been too lazy to back up. Whoa better do a back up pronto! Took too long to get some stuff dialed in especially lock only releasing 1 ball. Instead of two as an error sometimes and also vuks etc.
Despite issues over the years, love WOZ.

To LTG thanks for all the time, knowledge and expertise you have given regarding WOZ and so so many pins this year and many years on Pinside, RGP, by phone, in person and many other places.

I'm still convinced there must be at least 3 people using LTG as initials to do all you (you guys??) do! Thanks so much!

Game playing fine 2 nights ago and then turned it on today. Got "No Signal Input." Have jump started it before but been awhile. Watched the JJP video to make sure I used paper clip to correct place on board using the header/board connector.

Nothing. No response at all. None of the fans starting etc. Checked fuses, connectors, and know battery in game was replaced less than a year ago.

Not sure what else to try?

Thank you for the idea. Unfortunately same result meaning No Signal Input.

Dumb question but prefer to ask. I have a Hobbit with probably same or similar mother board. Any risk if I was to take board out of TH and place in WOZ? Don't want to risk harm to board in TH but would seem if WOZ starts up then is likely the motherboard.

Okay glad I asked beforehand as would hate to create problems for 2 games! Thanks!

Tried that unfortunately no response from WOZ. Thank you for the suggestion.

Today I will attempt the test mentioned hooking up CPU to a computer. Getting ahead of even starting that, if it does turn out to be power supply should I order same one from JJP or has anyone had experience with less expensive one?

Tha k you I do have the ATX outside metal box. But of course will test board first and see what happens and possible next step. But good to know an option in case. Thank you.

Well looks like you are right. Board works on home PC. Took power supply out of WOZ and found a darn screw in it that appears to have burned out power supply. So my own stupid fault at some point. Grrr!

Thank you to everyone who provided suggestions! Without Pinside and wonderful folks here would have given up on pinball as a hobby years ago.
I'll confirm resolution once I know for sure.

Other than 400 watts and it having a 20 pin header connection any other specs I should make sure replacement has?

So finally after much frustration And a new power supply WOZ is turning on and no signal input error.

However after briefly showing JJP logo in the asks for a password with logo of board manufacturer. In looking at Pinside it says install keyboard and hit Alt-Cntl-delete as there is no password. Game appears to very briefly reboot but then goes back to password page. I can't get past asking or a password this and so game won't start do anything.

Tried reseating connectors including to sound amplifier board, all that have to do with power suplly, new battery, unplugging machine overnight with no battery in CPU. But always get it asking for password whether I press F1 or F2 on keyboard.

Thank you!

Enter menu including Main, advanced,tool boot etc.

Have tried boot several times but machine appears to reboot, then gives me password request to same place and tries goes back to CPU info. Still not booting up. Problem something simple I'm missing but had wife tried who usually sees what I miss and she had no better luck.

Thank you! Tried all that and great info. Unfortunately still couldn't get it to boot but otherwise machine was on including, lights, fans, fuse leds, screen.
Took battery out, unplugged machine and took a needed long break. Came back hours later and put battery back in and machine power chord And yup nothing. Dead completely. Went over everything multiple times.
Connected board to computer and it fired right up. Checked power supply is on power. It's as if board no longer works in WOZ but must be a cable, or connector I've missed? Tempted to order a board as don't have an extra working one but thinking it's not the CPU since was working in machine earlier and in PC.

Well *red faced somehow power chord connected to machine not wall just barely lose. Damn thought I checked this earlier.

At this point have spent way too much time and giving up until new board arrives most likely. Might true again but very discouraged that I have had WOZ and several others pins and such at working on them.

Still getting CPU screen but password and stuff just going in loop. Goes to settings tried recommendations but getting nowhere. Again Pinside is wonderful and that's to everyone who gave suggestions for this and so many other issues!

Wow 4 updates since I tried this a.m.! Thanks everyone. Latest update. Let it set overnight with battery out and game unplugged. Then reinstalled those.
Game again asked for pw after being powered by shorting 2 pins on CPU.
After password checked and settings as suggested in CPU on screen settings. Tried that no go. Not factory resault found anywhere only rest is cpu and chips etc. Tried one and brief screen off and JJP logo and then pw. Tried other reset and still no changing. Different battery installed after unplugging machine and letting it sit. No changes. Tons of profanity for 33 or maybe 899 time last 3 days and WOZ melted. No it didn't.

Currently rereading posts and trying to figure what's next.

Sorry probably was clear I did try this and was very hopeful might be solution first thing this morning. In my clumsiness if I accidentally reset something else in this would be only thing I can think of might have gone wrong. But read this and believe I followed it exactly and so all these prompts and very helpful and clear written. Thank you!

Thank you so detailed and tried several things you listed. Will go through everything as she if it helps.

Hooked up CPU to PC and it started right up, some JJP symbol and then say downloading or somethingv50% for awhile and then went to apps page. Seemed fine in computer.

Put back into it again asked for password and after then went into CPU menu.

When in the CPU menu is showing nothing on Sata ports. Tried replacing SATA cable.
Then in a different port as well. Still showing nothing.

Also made sure the "Power ON" setting is is on. No matter what I try it just refuses to boot.

Weird to me that CPU boots over and over in PC but not in WOZ.

Legacy is enabled.

Will start up without dongle.

Will keep looking but don 't see AHCI mode. Will look again.

Unfortunately late last night it starting giving me screen error indicating it needs to be jump started. Have done that many times in past few days, but it now won't start. If I can get it started will take screenshots.

Tried a new board yesterday but getting nsh or occasionally told to press F1or F2 on USB keyboard. Pressing F2 as othervthreads say do that. Tried F1 and nothing after many times with F2.

MPrinted off Wingman's thread a out a year ago where he has pictures of each possible BIOS setting and what he set them too and how he got his WOZ running again. Tried that (thanks for the dozen or so pics Wingman) but still can't get it to boot. Been over and over again every single cable and connector including those with the new power supply. Fan on it running power supply running but still can't get game to boot. So have a new CPU and power supply but no good results.

Don't have another ssd but will get one as next step.

Put in new SSD and a new MPU and after jumpstart in went into manufacturer's page. Same thing no matter what settings I changed including ones discussed above it just looped and wouldn't go into game play. Fans on and game monitor.

Thank you will try that after work tonight.

I agree, does the new drive show up in the bios? does the drive show up WITHOUT the JJP dongle connected?
Does the game try to boot the empty drive without the JJP dongle connected?
The SSD drive should be the 1st boot device if it shows up.
It might be a bad hdmi cable to the ssd drive.
You should be able to see the drive listed in the bios under storage or the general info page.
l exchange cable and what it says in BIOS.

I have put a new SSD, CPU, and power supply in all since last night. Today had to replace thermistor in main fuse power as it blew.
Still once powered goes into BIOS and therefore no way to get into game menu to do anything including FULL 7.04 install which is what it's been running.

RR is beautiful with extra figues such as the Tornado and others things. Personally. I prefer how it looks over every other edition. And since made later than earlier editions hopefully some of the early issues were worked on.

Not much to update on getting WOZ going. Tried a different CPU, motherboard RAMs, power supply, SSD and I/O board some borrowed from Hobbit. Gone over about every cable and tried replacements, fuses and placing appropriate stuff in home pc. Tried BIOS setting recommended and I think about everything but calling zJJP which I guess is next

Miss playing WOZ as I have 4 pins and gameplay on WOZ is my favorite.