I am looking to possibly join the club and purchase a WOZ. Debating between buying a standard nib or a used Emerald City Edition.

Can anyone tell me a bit about the Emerald City LE Edition? I've read it was the first group made. Can anyone tell me what the price was new and how they are holding up over time? New standards are 8k, right?

Any insight is greatly appreciated.

Better than IJ?

I agree. It is still my favorite but the new games always are fun and take priority for a while.

I hope I can find a HUO WOZ in my area. Not as many people as Nor Cal so may take some time.

I know there are some cool things about it but have to admit the board thing makes me a bit nervous.

What do ECLE's typically go for? I'm guessing those with the more reliable 7.5v boards go for a bit more, right?

Thank you everyone. Generally, what is a good price for an ECLE and how much do the boards affect the value (if any)?

I just bought a standard, early run WOZ from the original owner a few weeks ago. I was nervous about it being an early run game but I was assured the 5v boards had all had the fix JPP sent out for them.

Well, I flipped on the game tonight and something seems to be off. It looks like a few lights are dim or out on the lower playfield (where numbers are) and they are all red while playing on both the lower playfield and upper castle playfield.

I am almost afraid to ask but does this mean one of this machines boards is going or has fried again already? I will try to attach a picture but any insight on what the issue may be is very appreciated.
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Here are a few more pictures. Maybe normal but some of the lights seem dim and off from what they were the last time I played.

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Thanks. I am really in over my head as I don't even know where to start even with your instructions. There is definitely a problem. The lights in the lower playfield aren't even blinking or changing colors at all. Even those still blinking in the upper playfield look off.

So to clarify, you don't think this would be an led board issue? I pulled up the playfield just to see if I could find any loose connectors. I will have to look at the manual and trouble shoot when I get a chance but took some pictures None of the lights are blinking or changing colors in the boards of the lower playfield.

The first board where lights are changing and blinking is the one above those in the initial pictures and those above (last picture here with the brighter lights). Any additional insight on what may be wrong? Thanks!

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Rebooted tge game and lower playfield lights all red again and not blinking or changing colors. Some lights that were dim ir seemingly out before are now red or other lights looking out.

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Please look at the pictures above the most recent. Some numbered lights were out earlier that came back on red in the most recent picture.

Do you work for JJP? The guy I just bought it from said he had installed fixes JJP .had sent him for the boards on all boards. If this is indeed a board issue after less than 3 weeks of ownership and no more than 30 plays, what is the long term fix for these problems? It sounds like all of this goes back to original manufacturing flaws & defects and I may have inherited a major headache.

Can you tell me what the 2.0 system is and how much it costs ( also how labor intensive - I am not the best at this stuff and installation may be expensive if I have to pay someone to do it)?

I don't know that the game hasn't been taken care of. It is an early run standard but the owner installed all the board fixes JJP sent him. The playfield and everything is immaculate as well.

Rather than neglected maintenance, I think if there is still a board problem, it is due to a manufacturing problem going back to when it was built.

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Great. That could cost well over 1k to fix a problem that shouldn't be on those that bought these machines early to begin with. Seriously, what a mess.

Most manufacturers issues recalls over this stuff and pay the cost to fix them. Doesn't sound like JJP ever really stepped up to the plate. Just sent out band aids to the unfortunate customers that bought early like the guy I bought this one from (i was reassured they were fixed desoite my concerms over this game). Now I'm worried even if I redo this already once supposedly fixed board or boards the problem will just continue.

Is JJP doing anything to address this ongoing problem or is the stance that despite the fact many of these games had major board and electrical flaws out of the factory, , it is no longer their problem?

How much is the entire thing? Why didn't JJP send these fixes out to customers stuck with troubled earky run games to begin with?

What about those that do? The guy I bought this one from received fixes from JJP that were installed but apparently as I'm unfortunately learning probably didn't fix all of the problems (despite his assurances that everything had been fixed and taken care of).

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Part of the problem is I am not very experienced in fixing these type of problems but I guess I'm going to need to lear sooner or later. Sorry. I appreciate the help. Just stressed out about other unrelated things right now and I let this carry over into my initial reactions here where?I learned there was a potential problem.

Sorry about that. You're right. I'll try to figure it out but lack the knowledge many of you guys do in diagnising and fixing these things. It has been working fine for almost 3 weeks since getting it here (including Tuesday night) so don't think whatever the issue is that itvis likely related to the move.

Ok. I went into the all led test and the only ones that turn white or red are those you see on the upper playfield in the picture in red. Does this tell you anything diagnostically?

It appears #11 is the last red board. #12 is definitely out. #13 & #14 appear to be dimmer but do have some white (not red) light. So does it sound like #12 may be the issue? Could replacing that one possibly fix all the downstream problems as well?

Please accept my apologies everyone. I am dealing with a few personal and life issues that have put me under a lot of stress in recent months. Unfortunately, this stress is contributing to me overreacting to things at times. I do appreciate everyone's willingness to help figure things out and again, my apologies.

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Ok. Thank you. I'm out now but will try to figure if those things work when I get back or tomorrow morning.

Well, the guy I bought mine from 3 weeks ago said he had been sent and installed those fixes but at least one of these has failed with less than 30 plays since acquisition.

My personal opinion is JJP should be standing by fixing all of these early run games at mimimal cost (not $800) given their manufacturing mistakes created the situation for early and subsequent owners but I digress.

But $11,500 worth of “sweet looking machine”? Is taking the monkey out an upgrade or downgrade? Sounds like a downgrade to me. How do they justify that Price?

I have a earlier run WOZ standard with 5v buffered boards (first owner installed boards sent my JJP to replace original 5V boards.

I had an issue a few weeks back thought to be a bad led board under the castle playfield but I reconfigured the wires today and everything on the upper playfield now appears to be working fine.

What I am noticing, however, is that the last smaller lights on the "Follow The Yellow Brick Road" part in the middle of the playfield appear dimmer or dont match colors when it cycles through attract mode in different colors (green, dark blue, and red all match but pink, light blue, yellow, etc don't).

When starting gameplay, most of the ftybr lights appear dim while a few are brighter. (see pictures on test mode, etc for reference).

Gameplay seems otherwise normal but something with some of the led lights just seems off. Can't see any boards visibly out under the PF. Anyone experienced anything like this before or have ideas on what the issue may be?

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Thank you. So is this normal? It just looks off to me. If you look at the first picture, the pointed insert and 2 & 3 are brighter while the others get dimmer as they go up. It is more noticeable in person.

I just t dont understand why some would randomly be brighter then others.

I was initially talking about those colors being off and they are when it cycles through light blue, pink, white, etc.

Here a few other pictures at start of game play. FTYBR is mostly dim and lights are stagnant (it is not flashing up and through the 1 -9 like I have noticed others do when I watch videos on line).

Notice that the Scarecrow smaller lights are bright and cycling while TYBR is not. Inserts 1, 2, 3 of TYBR are all bright yellow while all others are dim. Wondering if a non-working led under the castle playfield could be causing this or something else?...
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Thanks. A few weeks back when a problem arose, there was something clearly wrong with the PF lighting(different then right now). I spoke with JJP tech support about it and they helped me bypass the castle playfield wiring and then in settings turning off the castle RGB's. We figured it was likely a led under the castle playfield as the visible ones all seemed ok but I haven't had time to take on that project yet.

Today, I couldn't get ahold of JJP tech support so I decided to try to reconnect the playfield and other rerouted wires as 12 appeared out. After rerouting the wires back to what I think is normal, 12 is working and the castle playfield lights all appear normal (I then turned those back on in the settings menu as well).

The issue just appears to be what I've already posted with some of the lights around TYBR not cycling or some brighter then others.

Could it be that some of the wires arent connected correctly under the PF? The only coloring I noticed off at all in white light test mode is those 6 small lights at the end of TYBR. Could a led board like 30 or 31 out under the castle PF cause an issue like the one already discussed here with TYBR lighting?

Thank you. Yes, I turned the deactivated boards back on in the system menu settings. My guess is one of the led boards under the castle playfield is still the problem. I guess I'm just baffled why it almost looks normal now whereas the lights weren't even close to working correctly previously before troubleshooting.

I will check board colors in test mode when I get back home in an hour or so.

Going through the settings and testing each LED, I noticed the Munchkinland arrow light and Rainbow hurry up I serts didn't light up. Wondering if the led's that feed those inserts are the issue?...

No. I mean the Rainbow hurray up round insert on the left just above the pop bumper. You can test the lights on each insert on the off individually in the menu LED settings and that one and the Munchkinland arrow don’t light up.

It had to be they are on somewhat thin ice financially because charging customers a lot of money to fix factory caused design flaws would ge bad business in most other truly competitive industries.

Not sure how lemon laws work in relation to pinball machines. I've been wondering about this lately will all the problems surfacing the past several years in relation to both new JJP and Stern games.