We could really have something special on our hands here.

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it but that's not an apples to apples comparison at all. 2 different machines.

And your little quip about "woztanic" isn't exactly buying you any credibility. If you want to form an argument, do so. When you resort to crap like that your statement validity is all but nullified.

I'm the op of the WOZ going to the MN state fair. Long story short, I was sold this machine because it will be displayed at the fair. If not for that, then there is no way I would have been allowed to purchase this machine at this point in time.

Some local enthusiasts/fair organizers have been in communication with JJP about having a machine at the MN state fair for a couple of years now as a promotional opportunity. This is the year it's going to happen.

Time for someone to make a "Which gets delivered to me first thread: WOZ or Star Trek?"! LOL!

Ocular pat down and Charlie attacking Santa are 2 that must be in it or Im out.

Thank you!

Benefit is in the eye of the beholder.

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Thank you for chiming in on this and welcome to Pinside, a drama-free friendly zone for pinheads. WOZ is an emoptional topic for those of us waiting and waiting and seeing someone getting cutsies in line always pisses people off no matter where the line is.

Coming from the king of credibility himself! I think your track record speaks for itself. Talk about the pot and the kettle. Guess I hit a little too close to the mark!

Star Trek

This is going to have to be wide-body. Have to work in Jabroni and trailer BBQ pit.

Iron Maiden?

I do wonder about Alex's official capacity with JJP. Jack clearly distanced from him a year back. Now it appears he is the official spokesperson.

Whoa, Alex judging another's credibility

It sure does Hardly a pot/kettle/black situation. Otherwise I wouldn't be the first or second stop for support or the first stop for powder coating.

I bring game facts and you bring imagination and anecdotal diatribe fiction. I actually know what's going on and you can only surmise based on the high BS level that goes on here. You only perpetuate the problem.

Why not ask him about my capacity? Considering folks contact me for support, I write the OS, the upgrade mech, the support site, the Internet connectivity, the bios mods, etc. yeah I'm real distant.

Thank you for posting this. You'll have to excuse many of us (myself included) who really don't care what the reason is, if someone's cutting in line ahead of LE purchasers who paid a long time ago, there's no reason I can think of where we'd say "oh, sure, you bet, go right ahead and get one ahead of everyone waiting."

Michael

Well the solution is if you want a game now call JJP and tell them you want a game to take to the state fair. 49 states remaining....

"First to pay, first to play".

Oh wait!

Do you think I could deliver a machine to the Orange County Fair which is going on now? They could just ship me the machine they said would arrive last year...no I mean May of this year...oops mistaken for certain end of June....Sorry I was wrong it was supposed to ship last week or this week. Well I'll just take a machine to the Fair instead...any machine...end the misery please.

You know what. You're right. It would be nice to know what's going on. I am a paid in full customer after all!

I've read a lot of your so called "facts" in the past. They don't always end up being completely factual. Sometimes they do. sometimes they don't. I think you mean well, but get a little carried away at times.

And what problem did I perpetuate exactly? That some games have made it out of the factory with awful looking playfields in them? If that's my sin so be it. I'd gladly do it again.

I just browsed thru this train wreck and some of your comments just suck. What is it with you guys who have ZERO interest in WOZ making things look worse than they are for JJP. I'd hate to think what a NOOB is thinking if they sign in to pinside to browse and read some of this trash. Your only making it look like people are getting robbed. Nobody has gotten robbed. We all know the story and the truth. It is what it is but, why do you want to make it even worse? If JJP didn't start this then we would still be in bare playfield land from other with some of the best designers not working in pinball anymore. Some of you should just shut up already and move on. Even more so if you don't even want a WOZ. Get over it already. I'm not saying you have to agree with anyone either. I'm just saying WHY KEEP the negativity flowing? leave it between JJP and it's REAL CUSTOMERS. Enough is enough. One of the many things I hate about the internet. Everyone knows more than the other people typing. It's nuts that your not celebrating new pins in the day of the ipad.

Ok. I have no dialogue with Jack any longer, nor do I have need for more. But I have simply noticed that you speak as an official employee of JJP, now. Are you on the payroll?

My sister, who worked from home last month earned $1789 just from sitting at home on her laptop, contact me if you would like this opportunity.

Nope. And that's completely by my choice. Neither is Lloyd btw. Again by his choice.

JarJar, the day that arrives may be a really good time for me to put that Arcade mod in your TRON, just saying

Ok. Just asking. But you do speak on behalf of JJP like someone that is paid to do so. Not a criticism, just an observation. I thought you had been brought on in an official capacity based on your representations.

Not sure Tron can wait that long. It deserves better.

yeah, Sharpton is a *** ***, so?

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Being salaried has nothing to do with official capacity. If that were the case NYC hasn't had a mayor for 12 years as he doesn't take a salary. (Because he's a rich prick but that's a different story). I don't need the income from JJP, I choose to volunteer as I see amazing things going on and I want to be part of that And have skillsets that were of use. Watching folks with no skin in the game deliberately lighting fires or fanning flames is not only disheartening to folks, its just pitiful and shameless. And I take exception to that. If someone is so unhappy in their own being that they have to piss in others Cheerios to make themselves feel better I pity them. It's really sad.

I think you nailed it Chuck. I have an LE on order and would love to have my game now but Jack needs to do what's best for his Company in the long run to stay profitable. I want Jack to stay in business a long time and make more games than just WOZ and The Hobbit. I don't mind one bit if he ships a game to a distributor that is bringing the game to the MN State Fair and delays my game a little bit more. I've been to Pinball on a Stick at the Fair and it is an awesome event and over the course of 12 days thousands of people will play WOZ and other pinball machines which is great for the hobby and could mean more sales down the line for JJP, Stern, and anyone else making pinball machines in the future. I love location pinball and don't mind having games being moved to the top of the queue to go to high profile locations. I will happily drive an hour to play the WOZ at Moosejaw in the Dells until my WOZ arrives. A location like that will allow way more people to play the game and gain enjoyment from it than a game in my basement that only a handful of people play. Our games will get here eventually.... In the meantime the original people that pre-ordered a WOZ should take pride in the fact that they helped start a new pinball company that likely wouldn't be here without them. It's been a long long wait for many people but just be happy that the quality of machines all around has gone up as a result of JJP entering the business. Rolling Stones was the latest and greatest Stern game when Jack made his announcement, and Steve Ritchie was laid off and peddling goods on his website instead of designing games like AC/DC and Star Trek. It's a great time to be in this hobby and there are plenty of other games to enjoy until our WOZ machines arrive! Let's quit with the negative attitudes and take a step back and realize that "It's Only Pinball"

This isn't racism. Sharpton would be an asshole if he was plaid. The dude is a crook. Driven around in his 400k rolls Royce while his "constituents" don't have 2 nickels to rub together. But I digress.

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Alex is correct. And I can't speak for his choices.

Jack called me, hired me, and I turned down his salary offer.

Many years ago I worked for one year. Had a boss for one year. And I'll never do that again. When someone signs that name on your paycheck there will be things you don't like. And I'm not doing that again.

If you recall the thread right here on Pinside when it was announced I was on the JJP team. I responded to one post that I'd be helping people with their JJP pins anyway, this way I'll be able to do a better job.

And I'm quite fine with that.

LTG : )
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When is your estimated delivery date? Just cancel the order and buy one tomorrow, should be here by monday. EH oH!!!!

AMEN!

I'm not really wanting to get in here and rile people up, but back when Jack started this whole thing, he talked about how many of the first games would go to ops so they could iron out any additional issues as they were delivered to everyone else. It seems that is exactly what is happening.

If I was in the position to have one of these on pre-order, I think that I would feel just as disappointed as everyone else that mine hasn't come yet, but I also think that I would feel like I had waited this long already, what is another month or two?

Didn't you already get YOUR game?

Atleast I got my LE so I can enjoy it before retirement.

Here is my new happy place song, play this in the background as you read this thread.

Make that 101. I didn't catch that thread.

pappy

Actually we stopped counting in that thread. Here is a little helper that shows over 200, plus many like me that have the game on order and put it in the wish list. I am sure most of the people that list as owners have not received their game yet.

http://pinside.com/pinball/archive/wizard-of-oz/owners

You should ! If only to visit LTG at SS billiards and Mortimer's. Great places, nice people. Hope to visit the twin cities again someday.

Well the solution is if you want a game now call JJP and tell them you want a game to take to the state fair. 49 states remaining....

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The silver lining about the delays: now when GTA5 comes out I won't have to choose whether to play WOZ or it. There won't be a WOZ in my house at that time, hmmm...um, yay!? Seriously, it might as well get delayed 'til 2014 with that game coming.

I really don't understand why anyone still is waiting for delivery.

Just ask for your money back and buy one of the ones posted here for sale or from a distributor, doesn't seem that hard to me.

Step #1 Get money back
Step #2 Buy available machine now and play now.....

That is if you have played one in person and still want one. I played it and didn't care for it.