Ummmm....pffft...I'm NOT defending him, have another jack and coke, its BS! I'm about to go grab a beer because well It's 5 o'clock somewhere, oh yeah, its 5 o'clock here...

Cheers! Sounds like a fun trade show anyhow

I am waiting just like everyone else. I am also getting mine through a distributor. He has 4 LEs ordered and a few regulars.

I understand the business of getting the most exposure of the product and to get it out to the masses. Makes perfect business sense. Conning JJP into getting the machine for a supposed State Fair 4 weeks ahead of time..thats just BS..

Shame!

Gross

Jokes aside - and this isn't a knock on JJP specifically, this goes for Stern & other boutiques, too - I'm officially burnt out on the new-style NIB pinball buying process. Pre-orders, expecting to be the guinea pig for mech & software testing...I'm over it. They all need to stop rushing product, taking money for non-existing product...just make the product. Test it in the real world. Re-tool it if stuff isn't functioning correctly. Manufacture, market, impress us, sell finished games.

Ponzi.

Don't be naive, Jack is a business man. He has bills to pay, employees, overhead, etc.. he's doing his best I'm sure. Let him have a little room to move around. Everyone will get their games ASAP but he's got to keep the doors open to do it. Yeah, I'm paid in full on WoZ and Hobbit already. Do I like waiting? no, but I went into this with both eyes open and expected some delays.

Predator wasn't promised to anyone years ago. And the moment brand new orders for Predator would start jumping the line over preorder people, pitchforks would be out en masse.

Its silly to think all of these HUO customers are more important than an OP who will showcase this game to hundreds or thousands of people. yes you paid a long time ago, but these guys are being shipped non LE games.

Calm down.

Go Seahawks! Soon to be Superbowl Champions.

that would be tough since there only making 250.. and I think there all spoken for. correct me if I'm wrong.. ; )

Yeah Silly.

That's true. My point is pretty much new customers can't simply jump the line under any circumstance (either through buying existing spots, or from new orders).

pics are now being removed from fb priceless

Just proves the point!

I agree.

I hope the next couple dozen machines they cut the pre-order kids for go to replace those damn prototype machines in the field!

Jan 14 2011, Jack says mine is #47 in assembly. Since I don't know what the number 47 is referenced against, I have no idea. No news on mine yet. Jack says hoping assembly next week.

Just shows people a valuable lesson. Don't preorder.

When did you order?

Hey, if these "pre-order & wait years & get incomplete games" models work for them and the buyers are cool with it....cool. I'm not gonna get all emotional about it. I'm just sayin' - for me - I'm over it. It was fun for a while, no regrets...just don't feel like being part of it anymore.

Jersey Jack Pinball
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4:08 PMJonathan (#648 UK)
Just a heads up Jack, someone just posted this on pinside.
'Yea, this is about to blow up. I know a local distributor that just called last month and ordered 10 WoZ and got them today. As soon as I see my confirmation picture that he has them all, I'm calling Jack and demanding a refund on my WoZ and also my hobbit preorder. This will get well publicized. It's one thing for him to be doing his best to fill orders in order of received. But it's something quite different when he pushes everyone else in front of those that paid 1-2 years ago.'

Can't see it being true personally

4:12 PMConcretehardt
Natives are getting very restless!
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/woz-delays-continue

4:24 PMmurfe88
Somebody just posted a pic of the purchase order . With out knowing all the facts it sure seems pretty true me.
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4:25 PMJersey Jack
The DG game is for the Minnesota State Fair - I was asked to help out this year and we did - it's a promotional game. We are shipping lots of LE games. Some distribs have asked - really demanded- that they get their WOZ games before some LE because they have operators that want them before the Summer is over. We have made some of them too but are still doing mostly LE games here.
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4:33 PMJonathan (#648 UK)
That purchase order is for a different game. The guy claiming a distributor got 10 games early has proved nothing

4:49 PMJersey Jack
We did not ship ten games to anyone at one time yet!

When we did not ship games, that was a problem....we are not shipping fast enough....problem.....I get it.

On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 5:33:25 PM UTC-4, Jonathan (#648 UK) wrote:
That purchase order is for a different game. The guy claiming a distributor got 10 games early has proved nothing

4:51 PMJonathan (#648 UK)
It didnt sound legit. Same old posters with an agenda trying to cause trouble it seems

When "now shipping" = 10 games on a damn near empty truck some folks knew better.

Request a refund today & just buy a WOZ when they are actually shipping!

I'd almost bet I can get a WOZ damn near a year before the last guy to preorder.

To those sticking it out... I wish you the best & sincerely hope this was all worth it when the game arrives.

Best of luck JJP. Good to see games shipping honestly but its shitty it's not to the folks who seem to have loaned you the start up money.

At least the games are shipping and games are being assembled every day. Its just not quick enough for us.

Go to the JJP forum if you want a back rub for your WOZ loyalty/excuses.

Let those with a capable mind voice their interpretation without suppression.

Voice away....no problem with it....but I'm here, and I'd rather have an Anthony Weiner rub....

Voter suppression rally! Let's go...

Gotta feeling Jack's gonna lose a lot of sales via cancellation over this and I'd agree with that maybe most should just buy when it is actually readily available

Lol

You are now my favorite "WOZ'r that always thumbs down my shit"

I hope your game ships tomorrow sir

You crack me up PB79!.....I thumbs up your sh*t too a lot!

Go play some WPT anyhow Like I am going to do....

How about everyone cancels their pre order and they buy a regular edition. problem solved.

I see empty posts

Abso

Is that you?

Even if he loses 50 LE preorders, they will be gobbled up in a heartbeat by the next people on the list. That's probably offset even further by the future sales to Ops because he took care of them when they needed him to.

Making a larger customer happy over a small one is a decision that is made every single day by lots of companies/managers. Lots of times, the smaller customer doesn't even realize it happened. Y'all just happened to find out this time.

Gross.

When did the power supplies get upgraded? I'm assuming any games currently shipping would have had this upgrade already done. Fair assumption?

I don't disagree with you....kind of like how our government works, you know...

Errrr...wait a minute, that came out wrong!.....sick bastards..

Our government works?????

How everything works.

Even UPS prioritizes business deliveries over residential.

You are 100% correct sir, how our "government doesn't work"....

Weiner for President!

So just to clarify, the post about ten pins being delivered that were only ordered last month still hasn't been shown to be true?

This 3 page shit storm is about 1 machine that got delivered early for a show? This place gets worse by the day

Great points! Nearly everyone who owns a game hasn't said a bad thing about it.

Not trying to pile on but Lloyd lives in MN, I believe is tech support for JJP, doesn't he have a game someone can help bring to MN state fair?

Listen there is no good answer here. Jack is running his business to make more money. Understand his right - sure good rationale.

TomWGI have an extra red pill? My blue one is giving me indigestion.

Wow. Hard for me to believe you can make this argument when the LE's were paid off over 2 years ago! Fulfilling a "larger customers" need (with 0 upfront investment) over an early adopter LE buyer is just wrong. I'm not saying JJP is doing this, but IF it's being done, it's bad business. Anyone who can rationalize this as "normal" just wants to stick their head in the sand.

I asked for my refund back in March, when JJP decided to ship with incomplete software (an early "mantra" of something they'd never do...citing it as one of Stern's evil practices). Since March, I've picked up a lot of great pins that I know are fun...the hobby needs to be fun, not aggravating.

There was plenty of activity in the thread prior to that post. Mostly having to do with (once again) false ship dates being given to a January 2011 customer. And (once again) another baseless ship date being given to said customer. The post you referenced only fanned the flames.

This thread needs some humor

Shipping dates have been slipping since 2011, this isn't breaking news.

The circle currently goes:

People complain they haven't got a shipping date > They get a rough estimate from JJP > Estimate isn't accurate > People complain their shipping date has slipped > Jack stops giving shipping dates

Repeat ad infinitum

I feel real bad for those that are experiencing any delays, especially for those that I have got to know here and for those that have been positive and supportive of this whole process. Some of these posts are made with the apparent attempt to stir up unjust drama. I'm no polyanna but these negative posts cause undue misery for some folks. In this case, get the facts. There are no ten games being delivered, so strike that one from the record books.

You forgot about that middle part. I added it for you.