I love all the haters out there because they are just adding additional fuel to the fire for JJP to become a successful pinball manufacturer. I have nothing but good wishes for Keith, Jack and the rest of the crew. It's not easy for a small business to succeed and I really hope they do!

Apparently Jack disagrees with your love of the haters, what with the cease and desist letters that were allegedly sent out

Benepinball is one guy I'd never buy a NIB Stern from.........

Keefer: How many JJP distributors ONLY distribute JJP, and not Stern? =| Did Bene apply to be a distro for JJP and was turned down for some reason?

I don't see why WoZ should be universally loved, and anyone who doesn't like it gets bashed, even by the JJP team now? I have very middle-of-the-road opinions of it based on what I saw at TPF, admitting that it wasn't even remotely "up to spec" at that point, scoring and hardware issues both, if I'm not mistaken.

If he legitimtely doesn't like the game, are you any LESS biased as the programmer or Pinchroma as a backend coder (Closest approximation of my understanding of what he's contributing lol) for that matter? Am I less biased since I have no intention of ever buying WoZ? I doubt it.

I have no doubt that there is someone out there that loves Baby Pac more than they will love WoZ. I think I may have already met this person several times, in fact.

Jack has a business to run so can't blame him.

Haters keep on hating...its really funny when you step away from pinball for a week or two and look at this from a fresh perspective.

I bet he loses sleep over that Ice.

A few but not many i would think? I would imagine as a distributer it is in your best interest to carry multiple brands? The distributer list is on the JJP homepage.

Sorry, edited my last post. My point is that I don't think ANYONE is unbiased with regards to WoZ at this point. Certainly not anyone on pinside. Doesn't make an opinion any less valid because they primarily distro for someone else. If they want to make snippy comments about WoZ, that's their perogative, but it's not going to impact the sales of WoZ. I mean what... there's already like a year's worth of production booked?

Haha, I bet he doesn't either but maybe if other people read pinside posts and the idea sinks in with other like minded people maybe several others will share my view!

A few thousand people have purchased Woz, maybe those folks won't buy from a Woz basher/troll......I don't know....

You mean a bunch of predominantly well off people arguing about what toys to glue onto their toys, and which toy is best, isn't your idea of a good time?

Well a good day to you, sir, a good day indeed! Huff.

which toy is best

BabyPac FTW?

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So what exactly is the conspiracy here?

the right side of our WOZ prototype went out, too. the connectors daisy chain from one board to the other for power apparently. I started reseating all the connectors and finally got them all on again.
Prototype - so probably not the way it's done in final builds.

Ours had just a few minor issues, but still paying strong FWIW.
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LOL. Out of a field of how many ?

I remember playing one of these 2+ decades ago and thought it was a novel, if somewhat unsatisfying experience.

Is that something like a Scarlet Letter?

BINGO. This is a big mistake by Jack but yet the same people are defending him no matter what he does. I don't get it, why not admit that leaving unreliable prototypes out in the wild is not a good idea? Talk about agendas.

Pappy

Add me to the list of non buyers from pennypinballs

Because maybe he's more worried about ramping up production and in the order of PRIORTY when he gets to the office every day is to make sure that he gets as many pins out the door as possible to the people that have waited 2 1/2.....I don't know, maybe that's what he is most concerned about right now....

And maybe, he's trying to pump out as many pins as possible to replace those prototypes and early pins with the production models....maybe?.....How many test games in the wild have we heard from the owners stating how happy they are and are awaiting arrival of the production, fyi, a whole lot....

What possible "agenda" could Jack have for leaving prototypes in the wild? Enlighten me....

We "defend" what Jack has done right and bash him for what he does wrong, a WHOLE LOT more of the latter, where have you been?.....

So while others whine and cry about trivial things, as in I could care less about how some prototype plays in Bumf*ck USA or that somebody didn't get to play it because it was down, wahhhhhhhh...uh oh, must be some ridiculous "conspiracy"...

What I do know is there is an "Avalanche" of positive experiences and stuff going on with the pin.............that's right an Avalanche!

I understand infowars.com has surveillance cam footage of Navy SEALs in the vicinity of every WOZ with non-functioning GI.

Sh!t your sending in the Wolf... That's all you had to say!

They just don't seem to be coming from the PHOF right now.

I wonder why with their broken track record......and I don't care about what's sitting over there at PHOF right now, only that they fix everything by the time I get to Vegas for my football draft in September!

No one said it was a good idea but what you don't realize is the ops DONT wan't to give them back. The proto's are earning so well they don't want to return them until they get their prod game.

Dangling a carrot in front of someone only to pull it back also isn't good business practice so you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

dgoett who chimed in above has a proto on the floor and it's likely drawing people in. Why would he want to stop that?

OH KEEFERSIDE!

Sorry, Was in the lobby buying popcorn. Did I miss anything?

Nope, Just a bunch of Armchair CEO's

I may be the exception to the rule, but I think a game's potential greatness can be ascertained despite condition (within reason).

In fact, I have first-hand experience with this at the PHOF:

Played SC for the first time last year; game was insanely out-of-level and nearly all the GI out--despite this, conclusion was I want one someday.

Greatly looking forward to playing WOZLE there and filing a full report.

Well Iceman, I will give you this, you do take on all comers.

I am pissed that no one has filled me in on the conspiracy.

Basing this purely on what Lowepg, and other threads have said, but to me it seems that most proto's are working badly. Lowepg said the WoZ was off when he entered the arcade. So how can you earn money if the machine is off?

even off, it likely brings people in.

If I was told there is a MET/ non-proto WOZ on location somewhere within a reasonable driving distance I would be in the car after work and on my way. If I got there and it was broken I would be disappointed but I'd still pay to play some other games.

Don't know/care. I don't think it's relevant.

I have never said it should be universally loved. But, when someone who has a direct financial benefit in attempting to take money out of my pocket in favor of putting it in their own, you bet I'm going to call it out. I guarantee you there are dozens of people who have posted neutral to to bad opinions of WOZ that haven't been bashed by me because at least their opinions can be considered to be legit. Given his posting history and penchant for stirring up crap ESPECIALLY in light of his end goals of making money off of other new games, yes, I think I can safely consider that opinion suspect at best.

But, even that aside, I don't know how anyone can trust the opinion of someone who gives MB a 1, AFM a 2.6, MM a 3, and JY a 10. Note that these are all Williams games, or "neutral territory" if you will.

I'm not trying to pass off my opinion on anything without people knowing exactly who I am. My bias is well-known, and even if it isn't, I have gone out of my way to make sure it is known when posting opinions on others' product. I do not consider you to have a bias at the moment regardless of your intentions of buying a WOZ or any other future product from us or anyone else. I do not consider BP's opinions legit.

I do not doubt that either, but someone who stands to gain by putting my product down does not have that luxury.

Now, if BP wants to ever provide reasons or rationale behind any of his opinions, I welcome the debate. But he has been nothing but hit and run, and I can only assume that is because he has an agenda.

Is your nose red this summer lol. STFU DONNY! The fact that you are allowed to run rampant just etches in stone your companies downfall!

Wonder what will happen when you go crawling back to Stern for a Job.

You def have a fat head from your 2 games of fame. Back to your master I think he is calling you. People would like there finished product.....this century!

I think you missed a "negro" in there somewhere...

Keith, no worries. Nobody here gives any credence to what he says. Those ratings have been discussed here numerous times. Complete joke. But yeah, I don't mind everyone being reminded of this once in awhile either.

Dang! I was going to head up to Pinball Wizard tonight and was hoping to get some games on it..... Played it before, but had no idea it was a prototype...... How can you guys tell?

Obligatory reminder to play nice, no personal attacks, blah blah.

Yes agreed. Marvin's was sent back and his customers complained, A LOT. It really is a dammed if you do dammed if you don't situation, IMO. The reality at Marvin's is that it earns very well and the customers like it! Really glad the LE is here to stay.

Parker

Assuming you are talking to me (I have nfi who "Donny" is), don't worry, Stern burned that bridge like 3 years ago. I would sooner not work in pinball than work for Stern again. Just so that's all cleared up.

I don't understand what your beef is, AZ. I know you've tried to get me to shut up by whining to Jack before, though.

Hey Lowepg, maybe you could go to FUN in Texas and check out their WOZ .

Keep up the nice work Keith. Ignore some of these guys.

Agreed

I should start a poll on who do you have or should have on ignore. Wonder if that post would cause a problem.

That *may* even be more childish than all this WOZ bickering.

I was thinking of starting a poll on who whines the most, who lies the most, who is wrong the most, who is out of his mind the most, who got drunk on the kool aid the most, who is still drinking kool aid the most, who got sober and back to reality the fastest, who needs glasses, who's brainwashed the most, who thinks they know everything, who can't accept reality the most, who insults the most, and who has the largest ego.

Man I love you guys! Keith, I'll add WPT to the masterpiece list! Keep up the great work and don't let the bastards wear you down, as the saying goes.

Btw, again, who really gives a flying turd whether or not lights are on or not in NC! I don't, and neither does 99.99% of everybody else here. A few more weeks and ill have my own lights on to enjoy good bash material for the conspiracy narrative or whatever concept that is

Cool, sign me up for that list, thanks

Can we not all agree to let the "WOZ"shippers all be happy (whether we think they're right or not) and just leave them alone until things are up to speed?
I say we give them a break for two reasons:
1) the latest version of the software is really starting to look nice.
2) I haven't seen actual WOZ owners on here ranting about their game not working, or unhappy with JJP for a lack of support.

It seems as though every single WOZ thread has the usual fanboys defending the pin, and typically, non-WOZ owners criticizing it. Nobody's changing anybody else's opinion of WOZ or JJP.

I happen to prefer Stern pins so far but when you have real Stern pin owners complaining about broken toys etc, it's tough to criticize JJP for less-than-perfect pins in the wild. Especially prototypes. Yes, it's bad marketing/publicity for JJP not to replace these machines but what are they going to do: further delay the other customers who have been waiting and want their pin? There simply aren't enough to go around yet. It is happening though. Pins are rolling out!

Someone please wake me up once an honest-to-God WOZ owner has something negative to say about the pin. Until then, be either happy you didn't buy one, or thrilled that you've got yours already/will be getting yours soon.

Best of luck to those awaiting their WOZ machines. Hopefully your wait will be worth it in the end. After this last software update, I'm really looking forward to playing one.

WPT really is and it works.

And who are YOU exactly, and what have YOU done for pinball?

Nobody. And nothing. Just as I thought.