This is amazing! The code was already great. It is nice to see this extra polish added to it. I can't wait to install. Other companies should take note of how to do great code support. Thanks JJP!

Just came home after a long business trip and did the update. I love the floating scores and balls in reserve. I'm a bit disappointed in the fact that they took some of the light show away after making the save Toto shot. The lights used to flash white in a pattern to mimic Toto running. I always thought that was such a cool touch. Maybe they took it away by mistake and will add it back . . . . (I hope!)

You're right. That's gone too. I hope that and the lack of a TOTO finish are just things that were overlooked and will be put back in rather than intentional omissions.

Really? That's weird. Can you try it again? If you save Toto, in the old version, the inserts would flash white one at a time as if Toto were running across the playfield. With the update, this doesn't happen. If it happens for you but not me and apparently some others, something must be wrong. I would love it if you could confirm.

Agreed. I'm thinking about reverting I miss those lights so much! But I'm also pretty darn lazy . . . .

I think we've all seen the Toto lights after too much bourbon.

It did lose the sepia tone and is brighter now. I too like the old version. Supposedly, there is more fanfare at the ending now, at least according to the change log, but I haven't completed it yet to see.

I wouldn't say we are going nuts. We all applaud JJP and what they have done and continue to do with the code. We're just pointing out that there are a couple of bugs that still need to be corrected. I personally thought those Toto lights were an amazing touch. I didn't realize how much I really liked them until they were gone. It was touches like that that showed just how polished the code was and how committed Keith was to making it everything it could be. It would just be a shame if the added features were at the expense of other features. Personally, I think they'll make it right in the final 5.51 update.

Awesome! Thank you!

And, to make this thread more positive, in celebration, I personally agree to put in beelzeboob's mulch. Just tell me where I find the rake.

You can save your settings which I believe saves the lifetime plays as well before you back up, but if you are looking for a used pin, you should never go by the stated number of plays, as people might not have saved properly.

I like the concept of daily high scores but frankly was getting tired of constantly entering my initials even for mediocre games. I only play a couple times a day. I wasn't sure if I wanted to turn them off though. So, I upped the minimum score requirement for a daily high score to 100,000 and problem solved.

I do really like the concept and will probably lower it when friends are over. I think it will be really cool on location as well.

Sometimes I don't feel like I belong on these forums.

It still scares the crap out of me.

It's definitely worth it, but I do miss the twinkly lights that we have already complained about and which are going to be fixed. Whether you update now or wait for the fix, ultimately you should update.

It used to be that if Extra Ball was lit and you were in save Toto mode, you could still hit the throne room to get an extra ball. I just tried that with the new code and couldn't do it. I wonder if that was a purposeful change. I wouldn't be surprised if so. I always thought it was a bit weird that you could still collect extra ball while in Toto or TNPLH.

I believe I've discovered another bug, and it is potentially game ruining. I tested it with the glass off, and got it to repeat itself. I was hoping someone could try it on their machine and verify.

Here's the general situation: Sometimes when you have two balls locked and hit another ball up the ramp, the timing of the arm is a bit off and releases two balls. (This is adjustable, but even adjusting it, it can still happen from time to time.) When this happens, I don't want an unearned multiball, so I let one ball drain and play with the other ball. However, if I then hit the other ball up the ramp, it treats that as a drain, and I lose the ball. I do not believe this happened at all with the old code.

So, to test, please take the glass off and lock two balls. Then, without lighting "lock" push another ball up the ramp. The pin will release one ball, but you can release a second on purpose just by raising the arm with your hand. Let the first ball drain and keep the second ball. Wait a few seconds, hit some switches to prevent the game from going into search mode. Then, without lighting "lock" again, push the ball up the ramp. In my case, that always results in the machine thinking the ball has drained.

This sucks as it can ruin your game if the machine accidentally releases two balls. Again, the accidental release happens from time to time, and I don't believe the old code ever did this.

Can someone try to verify?

Thanks guys for the feedback. It would be great if you could verify with the glass off. I would like to email JJP, and it would be better if I can say that others have verified this.

Weird. No, I use the carbon steel ones. When you tried it, did you hit the last ball up without the lock light on? If lock is lit, I don’t believe it registers a drain.

Thanks for the quick response. I’m not sure if I hit the ball up there a lot, but it is a common shot as you know. I’m pretty sure it won’t happen if lock is lit. I’ll have to play with it more to see.

I just tried this several more times, and it happens each time. It can happen after one ball is locked or two. It can even happen when lock is lit, so I was wrong about that. The last time I tried it, I waited a long time between draining the extra released ball and hitting the ramp again. Despite waiting a long time, hitting the ramp registered a drain.

I checked all switches on the Munchkin lock and in the trough and they registered ok.

Would love to hear back from others who try this.

Thanks! I’m always glad to find out that I’m not crazy.

I’m using balls in reserve. That is weird. You are on the latest release, right? Not a beta version? Since it’s happening to at least one other person, it must be a code issue.

It could be there is some other setting, but I’m not sure what that would be. I’ve given myself a 10 second ball save, but I let that expire before I try. Do you have a ball save, and if so, do you let it expire before trying?

That sounds right. For kicks, you could try it with just one ball initially locked. Not sure why it is not happening for you, but happening for others.

One last thing to try. I’m pretty sure all of the times I tried it, Scarecrow was left unlocked. When I get home, I can try by locking scarecrow to see if that makes a difference.

I just tried by locking scarecrow first, and it still happened.

However, I noticed something. When it releases two balls, it seems to know and puts a ball save on for a few seconds. So, if you let both released balls drain the normal way, it will kick one back into play. I assume others have this feature. merccat , please try sending the ball up the ramp once that ball save turns off (if you haven't already). Anyway, for those who have the problem, until the code gets fixed, the solution seems to be to just let both balls drain and have one kicked back into play.

Here's a video:

One thing I do is I roll the ball up the ramp when the shoot again light is off. If you roll the ball up the ramp right away with the shoot again light on, it kicks a ball into the shooter lane and things seem to work from there.

One other thing: I have the pindemption dongle. I doubt that matters, but I thought I would mention it as it might be a difference between my machine and others.

Oh good. I'm glad that helped. Does that mean you were able to replicate it, and it is a software issue?

I just had another weird one where two balls were released from the arm, I got one immediately captured by the monkey and kept playing with the other one. Then I hit the ramp, and it didn’t notice the ball was held by the arm. Eventually, it went into ball search mode and released both balls. I do think there is something messed up when it accidentally releases two balls.

No. Don’t worry about those slight bugs. They are rare occurrences happening somewhat more frequently for me because I recently waxed so a fast ball up the ramp sometimes releases two balls. I haven’t found the sweet spot yet for adjusting the timing of the arm.

Besides, it sounds like they are going to get fixed. JJP code support is great. The game’s code is fantastic. One of the best coded games out there.

Ah, thanks. Unfortunately, without the ball saver, I have other problems purely relating to my own abilities.

Just saw that 6.6 is out which, from the release notes, seems to fix the bugs and add a few things as well. Sweet! Thanks JJP!