I am up for leaving it to the experts (JJP). I have to believe they know what they are doing.

Myself, I think a mix is warranted, but I can understand why they might decide to leave original audio solely for use with video clips (and remember, we still don't know how many actual video sequences there are).

On a more general front, I've never been a fan of "hit target, get random movie quote". It's what you do when all you have are movie quotes. I prefer that a pin's audio design follow a more structured format and tell me a story, not shout out random and meaningless "ah, I remember hearing that in the movie" clips.

I think they have done a "great job" so far and we all need to support their effort. And if you have suggestions make the game better, then CALL Jack and let him know and not hide behind your keyboard.

On SWEI we had some "actor" voices and no one even made a fuss. If JJP was not in the mix, the pinball community would be much different today. Hat's off to Action Jackson!

+1

I believe the dialogue from the movie and the voices of the original actor's are as iconic as the imagery. Whenever we hear the line "There's no place like home" or "We're not in Kansas anymore" we immediately associate the voice of Judy Garland. Same applies to Margaret Hamilton's witch. "I'll get you my pretty" or "I'm Melting".

I'm fine with "Shoot that projectile my fine pinball pugilist" if it was spoken by the chosen character to "narrate" the game. I don't understand why you go to great lengths to get the movie license of WOZ if you are going to turn it into a silent movie. I've said it before but the game is titled The Wizard Of Oz. Not Dorothy's Pinball Adventure.

One of the biggest drawbacks to POTC was the absence of Johnny Depp. In this case, the absence of the original voices completely ruins the game for me and changes my perception of its "cool factor".

So far, the music and callouts are really, really bad. Did they even research up and coming comedians/impersonators? I would think most of them would do it for free, just to get their name out there. Youtube is full of them.

I can't see owning the game for the audio factor alone. I would drive me crazy listening to that theme music and callouts over and over. Their already stuck in my head. Seriously, can't imagine a bunch of guys drinking beer and listening/playing wizard of oz. It's emasculating. I'm sure kids or the gf/wife will like it for a month or so.

Heard something about Gilbert Godfrey adding to the game? Jesus why.

Melissa Villasenor does a great Dorothy impression. She's dying to be famous. She'd probably do it for free. They should have used her.

I guess we only heard a small portion of the call outs. They needed something to just drop into the game. I'm sure they'll figure it out.

Ya know. I think I've voiced my opinions enough on this subject. This is a pinball forum where we are just discussing aspects of a game. I don't see my phone ringing off the hook anytime someone disagrees with something I've posted. Are they hiding behind their keyboards. Nope. I think it's because this is an internet forum.

That being said. I don't think I am going to "hide behind my keyboard". I'll vote with my dollars instead. I guess it's time to bail. Thanks for the push.

In before thread lock. This is going to spiral downward pretty quickly. Another public indictment disguised as a "survey."

Anyone trying to pass judgement on the game at this point is extremely premature. There's tons of work to do on it, nobody knows the extent of the audio and what the finished product is going to sound like.

I think the call outs are just fine. Some actors are spot-on, some aren't. I like the custom lines... "the Great Oz is impressed with your skill!". Good stuff. The ones that aren't perfect won't detract from my enjoyment one bit, but limiting the game to only movie quotes might.

Besides, I'm not in favor of any significant change this late in the timeline.

I dunno. If that machine happens to have attracted a buncha girls around it also drinking beer, I guess it's a good thing you won't be there!

Heard something about Gilbert Godfrey adding to the game? Jesus why. The only thing he's relevant for is being annoying on the Stern show.

Now you're just blindly grabbing to find something to complain about! What was made as a sarcastic joke by someone has now somehow become fact.

You know, I heard WOZ will come come with free HBO so the screen isn't black when it's off. Maybe that can become fact...

Why not post this on the JJP board? What purpose does it serve..? Independent research you are going to point Jack to? Really? 25% of the responses will be gag responses... Jack will take the advice of known experts in this field not a bunch of fanboys/haters.

The voices are placeholders... why bother to discuss how they work or dont work with the animation audio?

We will hear "The Journey is the Reward" as much as we hear "Bum Bum Ba Bum...Tron!".

While on topic though - whenever i hear that phrase i imagine some 300lb fat guy in a princess outfit saying it.

I am sure there will be some movie clips - Multiball is already using movie clip. When Dorothy says "oh!" when house falls in movie - i am sure that could be used for Tilt... etc, etc, etc.. let them finish the game!

That's a good thing. Not into giggly little school girls

I think it should be a mix.I need to hear "jackpot" or "extra ball" shout outs.You could work in original quotes for sound effects or mode start ups,but there needs to be some instructional call outs.

Example of what I consider a good call out:"double jackpot"Gimli in LOTR.

Example of bad call out(direct quote)"libations for everyone"...WTF does that mean?double scoring,multi ball,hurry up.Had to play game a bunch of times to know what that callout meant.

Do you really think this way? The WOZ theme is an affront to your masculinity? Maybe you're just joking. I don't care what the theme is, if the machine kicks ass, me a my group of friends will have no problem drinking beer and playing the hell out of WOZ. If a game sucks... then, well, it sucks and we wouldn't play it regardless of how macho the theme might be.

Again if people have ways to make the game(s) better...JJP...Stern or anyone...call the owners / designers on the phone and let them know. This way works. My phone rings all the time from folks who want to make a difference. It helps big time.

Heck some even buy me a tea!

I'm afraid after watching that video that it's going to turn into a game like South Park that never shuts up. Does we're off to see the wizzard ever stop?

The only one near me I'll be able to play will be at CP in a room where I hopefully can't hear the music or the call outs.

I also agree that the voice acting seems really strange. I am not a big WOZ fan by anymeans but it does sound goofy without film call outs.

I will with hold judgement until I see/play it at expo. If I can hear it from my booth, after 3 days I will probably have a very good idea of how it sounds lol.

leave it up to team JJP they know best.

The problem here is, you are starting a tirade against the process when you don't even know what it's going to sound like. Jack and others have already explained why they're doing what they're doing. They aren't asking whether you like it or not. It's done according to their scheme. If you want to complain about it, wait until you have something to complain about.

I seriously doubt anything is going to change, and even if it did, it would add more delays to the delivery schedule and nobody wants that.

Look, I understand you may not like some aspect of the game, but trying to create some kind of public wave of dissent isn't likely to make much of a difference at this point. Jack seems to be fed up with people telling him how he needs to build the game. Just sayin'. I'm not suggesting you can't express yourself, I just think: a) it's not going to change just because you don't like it, b) there's not enough evidence to indicate that the sound package they're using won't be superior, c) you and most everybody else has no idea how difficult it is to configure the sounds - it's unlikely that this is merely a simple choice that they can make.

My g/f daughter likes wizard of oz. I got a couple things in the house wiz related (witches hourglass and a small movie picture in a frame). She wants to be Dorothy for halloween, again. She's a fan of the movie. I get the kid aspect of it.

Honestly can't imagine hanging with the guys and playing the wizard of oz pinball machine at the house. It's pretty gay imo. It's like watching the movie with your guy friends. It wouldn't go over like a fart in church. My friends would be like wtf is this??? We came over to watch UFC. I'm not saying WOZ owners are gay, at all. Don't care if people are the gay. But, it's just gay for a dude. g/f - wife, kids, I get it. But for a guy, com'on. You have to laugh about it, it's like being caught driving a mini-van or prius.

DITO

I remember a time in pinball when CV was"the gay" game.Never really understood that line of thought or this one.Scott

That is intolerable bigotry and probably the worst thing I have read here. Just the fact that you referenced it as "The Gay" is absurd.

I just wanted to save this bit of stupidity for posterity, just in case Tommi came to his senses and edited the whole thing before anyone saw it...
Looks like Alex beat me to it.
..."the gay" indeed.

Also, how did I know this was going to be a Chocky thread before opening it up?!? I bet myself $10 before I clicked to open and sure enough... Looks like I get a sweet lunch today!
Just be patient man- so much unnecessary speculation/fear from a keyboard.
They've got this- let them work.

Duke, you're worth at LEAST a sandwich and some chips!

As usual Alex, calling the kettle black and acting like a Diva.

Let me remind you of YOUR woz post two weeks ago.

"I realize you were trying to get a rise out of me which is why I never responded to the thread or the topic of it. But I couldn't miss the opportunity to call a spade a spade (or in your case a D.B. a D.B.)."

Surprised you refrained from the N word.

Jack and crew have been crazy/brave enough to allow virtual tours of the sausage factory this entire time and I applaud them for it. It has served its purpose as far as I am concerned. The purpose has been to show that there is a machine, a process, employees, ideas, and ultimately a product. If they were not so open about it, I would not have been as patient as I have been with leaving my money on the table. (I have a WOZLE on order and am patiently waiting for the finished product).

The sausage tours are not designed for people to steer the production and vision of the machine, but many people act like that is the case.

Think of this whole process as a funnel. Very wide at the top and narrow at the bottom. Lots of people on board when it was just a cool idea and ill-defined. New pinball machine and new company? Wow, how many people could be against that? Not many!

As the product is developed and shared and the closer it gets to being finished, it will satisfy fewer people than were initially interested in the idea at the beginning.

Some people would serve themselves (and others) better by dropping out once some part of the product becomes a deal killer for them. It is just natural that some won't. It is super easy to get your money back.

Uhh dude your Avatar is an ace of spades? I wasn't making a racist comment and im not even sure how you deduced that.

here let me give you some education.

From Wikipedia:

To "call a spade a spade" is to speak honestly and directly about a topic, specifically topics that others may avoid speaking about due to their sensitivity or embarrassing nature. Brewer’s Dictionary of Phrase and Fable (1913) defines it as
“ To be outspoken, blunt, even to the point of rudeness; to call things by their proper names without any "beating about the bush". ”

The fact that the word spade immediately associated in your mind as something racist is very telling.

Nice try though.

Dude, don't you have a Tea Party rally to attend or something? Fact, what you said is bigoted. You really need to get in touch with a doctor and get your estrogen levels checked because either you don't have any in your body, which as a male you should have some, or you have too much and are trying to overcompensate.

This is an outrage.

Never, EVER fart in church

Time to close this thread lol

ITBL.

Love you guys, but this place is getting old. On to the I hate/love Metallica/ACDC/Madonna thread.....

Honestly can't imagine hanging with the guys and playing the wizard of oz pinball machine at the house. It's pretty gay imo. It's like watching the movie with your guy friends. It wouldn't go over like a fart in church. My friends would be like wtf is this??? We came over to watch UFC. I'm not saying WOZ owners are gay, at all. Don't care if people are the gay. But, it's just gay for a dude. g/f - wife, kids, I get it. But for a guy, com'on. You have to laugh about it, it's like being caught driving a mini-van or prius.

Is is funny/ironic that I think of this based on your handle

tommigun.jpg

Really? Unloved by you, but certainly not unknown!

As far as WOZ voices. with the video instead of DMD there is much more going on that probably requires impersonators.
Jack said there is a script for the whole thing.
Maybe that means it will be a whole new twist of pinball WOZ storyline.
I would hate to miss all of that creativity, just cause you hate voice actors.
Go ahead and bail already.

My vote for worst impersonator:
"I can't drive, FIFFTEEE FIIIIYYYYVE!"
still doesn't keep me from playing a working NASCAR.

I guess I understand the concern. I think THE BEST implementation of voice calls are in FGY. That game has so many..every time i play I hear something new..IRONICALLY.. SHREK voice calls are quote the opposite.

At this rate and everyones suggestions..the game will never get done. At some point you have to say enough.
This is what happens when you show the progress on a weekly basis and in my opinion Jack should just stop showing a game at the shows that is clearly unfinished and a work in progress because a lot of people can't grasp the concept of "it's still in progress".

BTW.. i think everyone from the movie has passed on... so how can you use the actual actors voices? You can only do so much. Taking the time to cut and edit custom voice clips form the actually movie to make up words will not only sound bad but will take years.

Both would work

Sandwhich and chips...!!! Thanks!! Cool.....Here is my phone (224) 532-0639. I appreciate any calls to help me in my work and pinball overall. Or better yet get involved if you are an engineer, programmer, digital artist, etc.....AND If my stuff sucks I will fix it so it sucks less, as if 3 people say it sucks it usually does (Steve Ritcvhie taught me that).... Forum posting ONLY does not make better pinball, as it is created with our hands.

I think SWE1 is a better movie.

Actually, with the LCD display, yes.
The player will NEED to hear instructional speech and pinball specific quotes.
I'm hoping WOZ is a deep ruleset that pulls me into the story through pinball.
Hopefully more than any game before, and maybe I won't have to read 20 pages of
a guide to understand what's going on.
....thanks to the custom speech.

I think I understand what you are saying. All of us who have seen the movie multiple times know and like the characters and their voices.

I think Jack stated somewhere that he has seen this movie a billion times as part of his research on the making of the game. I am sure the design group discussed and debated using the original actors voices. For some reason they have opted to not use those voices. With all the years of experience that this team has, I have to acquiesce that they know what will sound the best. There may be reasons that JJP has not yet divulged why they have chosen this route but I am optimistically confident that these guys know how to build a good pinball game.

Chocky we all know you hate the voices. You can sell your game back to Jack he has along waiting list. If you are right and the overwhelming consensus after the game is released is that the game sucks because of the voices. You can come back on here and tell everyone "I told you so". If you are wrong you can always buy back in.

To be so hyper critical does not benefit anyone including yourself, an owner of WOZ -- IMO

If you are saying people who support the Tea Party movement are bigoted, you are no better than the original statement and way out of line.

The thread is about the voices. I am happy to let JJP run his company as he sees fit. Voice actors is is for me.

Love it J-Pop! Truth hurts, IMHO! Per counsel! Alex keeps telling people he works for JJP "but don't tell". That's why he keeps popping up on all the jjp posts! Hey JJP does he work for you?

Right. SWEI was not an iconic movie when it was released. The concern/dislike of voice actors is that the artwork, the video, etc are all based on the movie The Wizard Of Oz. A movie which has been known for generations and its dialogue is immediately recognizable.

I think Joeraptor is missing the point of what those of us who want the original dialogue is getting at. No one wants words made up from the movie, nor do they need to be. The only pinball specific dialoge in LOTR was by John Rhys-Davies (Gimli). Spiderman it was J.K. Simmons. All other dialogue was lifted as is, from the movie. It would be very easy to take an altered Wizard voice and make that voice the one responsible for the pinball specific callouts.

The only script should be that which follows the movie. I did not think this was about re-writing The Wizard Of Oz.

In my eyes, this was one very poor artistic choice that completely alters ones perception of what The Wizard Of Oz should be.

Otherwise, the book should have been licensed and original artwork made from the story.

I do NOT work for JJP nor have I ever told anyone I have. You guys make assumptions which are always incorrect. Stop trying to stir sh!t up that isn't there.

The bottom line….all the discussion back and forth and back and forth…its all good. But you all know in your hearts, or you should, the only real opinions of worth will be once the game comes out…till then..its all noise and speculation.
Since this is about call outs/voices, does anyone here really know what is going on behind the scenes. With the most intricate pinball machine to be made in the last few decades, I seriously doubt the voices are not going to be integrated into this machine without a heck of a lot of thought process. Original voices, impersonators, real clips, fake clips…one has to believe its all going to be done in a very classy fashion.
With one of the best design teams ever, that will put their seal of approval on the final product…why is there so much senseless dribble? The discussion is good, the passion is good…some of the comments are simply ridiculous speculation.

Guys lets stay on topic and keep it more....... Friendly ?
-thanks HDC

Terrible decision.

So those who love the theme (the movie) don't get any realy Judy Garland? Bad move.