Man that post gave me a headache,relax and embrace everything pinball,now exhale.

I thought it was awesome... Almost "Wizman" status for sure!
Keith was very calm, wasn't he?

I for one want to prolong a freakin' ball drain. I am anxious to see the ruleset regarding this innovative feature.(Maybe a ball save involved) I also find it ironic that a person can bag on a design for being unoriginal and then complain about its' originality in the same argument. How dare JJP have a unique ball drain feature?
I bought a TSPP NIB and love the game, but was not happy with the build quality in comparison to my TZ. Unfortunately, I didn't have the cash to preorder WOZ, but am excited about this pin.

WOZ is shaping up to be a classic. Not a theme for me but looking forward to play it. Already the build quality looks so so different to modern Sterns.

I just hope that they get a superb theme for pin number 2 .........some tips maybe? The best unlicensed games of all time are works of art, they are fun to play, and they all have laugh out loud moments. Also there is usually a sexy female somewhere in the game, on the game, call outs etc.

So look at AFM, MM, SS, CV, TOM etc for inspiration.......I soooo want to be on the pre-order list for number 2

Did you ever find a source of the delays you keep hearing about or are you going to keep throwing that out there hoping to start a rumor? I have been following all the updates and it has been on schedule the entire time.

Thanks Keith for clarifying this. As a TSPP owner I almost got a little worried there that I was going to get the same game with just a different theme... NOT

Actually, I'm so looking forward to playing WOZ, it's uncanny. So stop reacting to stupid posts and get back to work, Keith!

LMFAO!!!!

Glad I could make you laugh, you seemed so upset yesterday!

I'm gonna enjoy putting that WOZ right next to my TSPP and be damn proud of it too!

LMFAO again!

Yikes, a little defensive don't you think. Tough to discard the similarities.

Well, considering hoch333 is commenting on a game he has never played or seen for that matter, I think Keith was showing restraint.

I mean, if all he is going on is a white wood and shot similarities, where are all his comments regarding every Gomez game ever produced (See LotR + Sopranos, MB + TF)? How about Pat Lawlor (WW, FH, TAF)?

"Good grief! It has flippers and a ball! Come up with something new why don't ya?"

Designers will always 'Go to the well' of what works. I think that is obvious in every industry. You produce what consumers like, or you don't stay in business long. I mean, if that wasn't the case, Apple would have gone bankrupt a decade ago.

If that was my game that I was pouring my sweat and tears into, I think my comment to him would have been "Hey, I don't go down to the docks and slap the sailors c*#ks out of your mouth while you're working, do I?". But Keith is probably a nicer guy than me.

Pinball is a game that takes place in a box that hasn't changed dimensions in how long? Its almost impossible to not see similarities between games at this point. I see some similarities between woz and tspp but they are clearly not the same imo. It has to be one hell of a game to carry a license like WOZ though! lol

Lalalalalaaaa
Cannot wait to shoot a video of a good play of WoZ after unboxing and post it on YouTube, laughing about silly small people and enjoying the game, screaming random words like Keith and Jack because I have used words like OMG, Ohhh, Ahhh, I love it, WOW and Fantastic already dozens of time that night!

I cannot wait until this comes out, Stern's games have all been nearly recycled from their previous games. Unfortunately I can't even come close to affording a WOZ, anyone know of anywhere in MN that this will be? The usual spots don't seem to be getting it, LTG?

Compiling.

Somebody mentioned box dimensions....That alone puts WOZ and TSPP in two different places completly.

WOZ=Widebody - TSPP = standard width.

If you want to see layouts that are the same, compare the lower flipper layouts from every pin made for the last 25 or so years. They are all in the same place. My son always asks me why nobody puts four flippers at the bottom or anything like Gottlieb used to do. He likes the different layouts on the Xbox. He is a pinhead but plays them on there to see different pins.

My answer to him on why they do not do that is that the same people that complain about the similarities between layouts would complain if you changed them too much. they would complain if they were together and flipped out. Basically they would complain about everything so people that are actually looking for a different PF layout get the shaft.

Keep up the good work Keith,The majority here are excited to see WOZ!!

Buying this man the drink of his choice when I meet him!

Seriously. It is similar to making movies, no? How many themes are there? 6 or 7? They are all essentially the same theme told slightly differently.

I am surprised with the limitations of a play field that so many compelling games have EVER been created. Even with the them essentially being "keep this ball bearing in play with these little bats to make the ball do what you want it to" they still keep making them unique.

Thanks to Stern for carrying the torch for the better part of a decade and thanks to JJ for bringing out some competition. Let the great games begin....

Is anyone going to point out that both of these games use silver colored ball bearings and tabulate a score based on accuracy of shots? Man... it's like they are exactly the same.

(I also feel bad that I didn't pre-order at the lower price)

+1!
If you are ever in CA for an Expo, you drink for free!*

*Two drink maximum per day... Not valid on days that end in "Y".

WOW. (sorry terrable I had to do it)

I hope your not talking about the free happy hour at Pacific Pin hotel bar. I saw Gomez and Stern all over that at the last one.

Interesting read..... I wish I were to be fortunate enough to be a WOZ owner in the near future, I am so looking foward to play one.

Pinball is fantastic and anybody who wants to share and be part of this crazy game no matter how big or small their contibution is, well...... they must be fantastic too!!!

On WOZ, it is the LCD screen that fascinates my thoughts a lot, the possibilities of it are endless.

Good luck to the JJP team, though I really doubt they need it, I see a successful future for them.

Pinball Keefer..... WOW...... have we met????

Talking of similarities, I think that JM has some with TF.... don't get me wrong I'm not knocking George G, I just look at TF and it reminds me of Johnny, I sure they don't play anything like each other.

The ramps on TF, particularly the Pro version, are indeed very similar to JM.

Sweet. I don't drink very often/much at all, so when I do, I tend to make it count. I'll take a Louis XIII, neat of course.

Don't know? I'm around at quite a few places. Next place I'm planning on being for sure is Pinburgh, but it's quite likely I'll wind up at something before then as well.

My thoughts exactly

"I don't always drink beer. But when I do, I prefer... Dorothy's Delectable Draft!"

The good thing with competition is that it brings out the best. JJP by even announcing a pin has caused Stern to step up their game. Stern's business model was cheapening Bills of Materials (BOM) on a dying market. They did what they feel they had to do to keep the doors open.

JJP announces their pin, Gary takes notes (literally), and hires back designers, targets the collectors, talks about innovation, and increases their BOM.

I have listened to Jack, and even though I am not buying a WOZ, his passion during his presentation leads me to believe he will deliver a pin that he is proud of.

Stern vs. JJP is only a good thing for pinball. Only real winners are the players.

http://www.bevmo.com/Shop/ProductDetail.aspx?utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=froogle&ProductID=1587

Indeed you do! My inexperienced little mind had to look it up...

That is a very good point.

I'm surprised you had to T_G! After all it has "extraordinary aromas of BANANA, guava and fig"...
Way to swing for the fences Keith!
That'll curb T_G's "Pin-Buying", for at least a month or two! HA!

Being able to type such a long reply while your computer is compiling means either a) your computer is incredibly slow b) WOZ software is gonna be incredible and deep

Sometimes, with all the experience of all the people creating a new product a few glitches can pop up. Again, I've seen it several times with new model years of cars. I understand the experience of each of the people involved, but all of them are working together with a new manufacturing company for the first time. I don't think JJ would purposely manufacture a poor quality machine, but would unexpected problems crop up or be missed? Possibly. That said, I hope WOZ is spectacular and exceeds our expectations in every way... and possibly reinvigorates a waning industry.

Heh don't take me too seriously. The average price from a bar is around $100 for 1oz. I did have one once and it was pretty amazing I have to say. Of course this presupposes you're into cognac. The most expensive liquor I've bought a bottle of was 150 Year Grand Marnier. That is really good too.

Well, mostly it was a famous xkcd reference.

Wow was I wrong! Last night I actually got around to looking at the videos that JJP has on the web, and discovered they are not the "fly-by-night" pinball company I thought they were. They have assembled some of the best talent in the business. Then I looked up "Keith and Joe", on the IPDB and discover that they have designed most of the games I love to play......Doh!.....Thaaaat's just wonderful!....so even though the year is young, I think i have cornered the forums on "worst post ever"! Robin was right don't pay attention to stupid posts.

To the whole team at JJP, and especially Keith, I was wrong, and I am sorry. I hope you turn the pinball world upside down.

Good for you Hooch

Now you know what all the excitement is all about We all make fools of ourselves and say stupid things!

hooch333, the world would be a much better place if more of us had the guts to admit our mistakes. Well done sir and welcome to the Yellow Brick Road.

Thanks hooch, no problem. We will.

I 100% agree! Thanks for changing your mind about this, Hooch!

LOL! And ACDC looks like T2!

But seriously, there are only so many layouts to be done,
there will always be similarities...and conspiracy theories.

Stop listening to the space aliens! They don't good pinball when they see it!

Bob C

Not only does he have some of the best people in pinball, he has already been manufacturing redemption machines for years. He knows what it takes to manufacture the pins as well. There are not many people that could put this off, JJP is one of the few that could make it happen.

I was everybody did the research like you. There are a lot of people that just throw there ideas around and never back them up. Bravo to you.