WTF! Been in meetings all day and have a two hr drive home. So I can text while driving all the way home. JK, have buddy driving.

After looking through all this my first thought was WTF, I just got my Woz Le and this feels like an eye poking. As I read on, and thought in my infinite wisdom "does it really matter"? 1000 was never limited. Neither is 300 or 1500.

I got my Le for 6500 and am thrilled. Would I pay 9k? No.

I do think pinball war is upon us and only the strong will survive.

If Jack can sell 1500 at 9k. I say go get em.

I also understand why some people would be pissed.

The usual agitators with no skin in the game, not so much.

If 1500 people pay 9k for this and 8k for TH and 8k for MMR at another 1500 and 1000 respectively AND Stern tries to float 6 pins in 18 months, all of them won't be left standing because the "market" isn't that big, I don't think.

2014 will be a year to remember!

Another thought, if Jack is done with production sooner than projected and before TH ramps up what is he supposed to do? Have his workers play tiddly winks? When you have a hot product like Woz, go for the jugular, rip the competition a new one and how much the market can really bear.

When Stern jacked up Le totals to 799 and 8k look what happened. A big thud. If Stern can sell 1000 Le's he would do it in a heartbeat. Obviously he can't.

Tmezel has one now

I really don't get all the feigned outrage here by the people that don't own a Woz and never planned on owning one....

I get the outrage of anybody that owns a Woz and feels like they have been poked in the eye with the new "LE", they are entitled to their opinion.

I have never bought into the "LE" theory at any number (except MG, a true LE) that's why it doesn't bother me at all, if I didn't have my WozLe yet and had the chance to jump to the red one for another $2500 would I do it? NO WAY....imo that is complete stupidity, but I recognize people have their own motivations for doing things that look crazy as sh*t to me. Thus I could care less other than the possibility of getting some new mods for my Woz

What I am 99.99% sure of is that the market won't bear 1500 of these at 9k. What is the distributor price? I'm sure it was Automated that bought the 125 reds? If you want a "red one", just wait until they put these on clearance.

In my life, I live by the principle that the more that I give back to people, the more rewards I receive in the future. Was the 9k price tag on an additional 1500 pins a good business decision? Time will tell, I think NOT but hey maybe it will work out and Jack is the one that has to live with it. Either way it will be fun to watch!

At least Jack, Alex and Lloyd actually participate here and the latter two are extremely helpful! I'll take it, it's Stern that better "wake up".....

Love the "shark/pinside tank"! ......there will be a lot of "for that reason I am out" comments now

Sucks that you have to work today Hwawonyu, at least you'll have this thread to keep you entertained

I realize that, and that is why I was comparing pinball companies because you didn't.

Bingo...............of course that had to be the thought process. Sometimes we are all guilty of being self absorbed and can't see the forrest through the trees!

Thanks for the tip

People are deluding themselves if they really think "LE" means anything with respect to long term value. 300, 500, 799, 1000, 1500 is too many anyhow......and how many "LE's", "SE's" models are coming down the road to further dilute the whole concept.......

It's not just pin specific for LE's, its the entire LE saturation........

What took u so long to reply to my feigned outrage comment?

I don't bash STLE. I had skin in the game and you know and am glad to be out. Where was your outrage when Stern upped the price and LE number to 799. It only lasted a day or two right?

Jack is the one who has to live with his decisions. Some people have already backed out of TH and I'm sure cost himself some loyalty on this one. Do I think it was a good move? Nope, but I don't really care either.

And if someone bought TH thinking 1500 was LE and would be outraged at another 1500 LE run in the future then I really just don't know what to say for you.

Rage on. Feigned or otherwise

Another thought. Could be that Jack knows there is no way he is selling 1500 of these at 9k but figures maybe he could do 250-500? But if he announced another LE run of 250 reds then what?

I think you are correct! The "limited to 1500" announcement when the reality is a whole lot less will be made at 9k is quite deceptive. After people snapped up 1000 MMR's in two days like rabid dogs, at 8k.......

But are there cars in the parking lot yet?

That's what Blackberry said about the iPhone when it was released!

Btw, some of you guys should take a thread break, Thor was a fantastic movie, go see it

No shit! Gas and groceries next?

I don't think Jack is crazy, I think he figures he will sell at least a few hundred or maybe several hundred but had to say the quantity would be "limited to 1500" so it didn't look like it was a direct eye poking to the original LE owners.....

The red will end up being a whole lot more "limited" imo........

Actually they are not.......PS4 comes out 11/15

And plenty of people pre order video games.....

Just like those games you always have two choices:

1) Pre order on the payment plan, some people like that option

2) Wait until it comes out, play it, see if you like it, more people are starting to adopt that option

It's a just a choice for people to make, simple as that........

Exactly right, riding the wave, this is def not "price fixing" by any stretch, these guys have zero ability to peg pricing at any level......consumers will and already have bailed at certain higher price points

I can see a future where Stern is the pro/premium model king and JJP makes the cadillac version for the higher end consumer.....that said, at some point I can see JJP dipping down into that market as well...i.e. the Iphone C

Stern might be wise to adopt that model now of just pro/premium and maybe 250-500 LE but with JJP in the mix now they won't be selling 799 LE's at that price.......imho

Seems like a bargain today doesn't it