Give or take May 2014 or so. Hard to say exactly.

Yes I'd say so.

If there were less troublemakers on this site then JJP themselves would probably be active here and answer your question accurately.

Alas - it seems the site owner doesn't care...

From memory I believe we started seeing the buffer boards around July/August 2014.

It's very easy to know if it has them just by looking because of the add-on daughterboard. And they have both 5v and 7.5v buffered versions. I *think* they went 5v unbuffered, 7.5v unbuffered, 7.5v buffered, 5v buffered order as they worked on the lighting issues when they originally showed up.

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Don't make their same mistake

Ok, I was a little off with my recollection of the date. It was April 2014 (see post #167). The info was from the JJP Google WOZ group at the time.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/woz-led-issue-info/page/4

My October 2014 had the 7.5V buffered boards...havent had any problems

I don't think it's so much an issue of indifference as coming up with a policy that works without quashing legitimate conversation that may include grousing or complaints about real issues.

It's certainly more civil overall here than rec.games.pinball became.

Maybe it is but on AA there simply is no tolerance for troublemakers and they are weeded out quick smart and banished. Some of them have found refuge here because (for some reason) their behavior is not only tolerated but it seems accepted here??

Without specific examples, I can't know. I know there are some strong personalities here at times (myself included), but I think the mods generally do a decent job keeping things in order. Maybe the levels are a cultural thing?

You've said quite a mouthful at times and got away with it without being muzzled...not sure why you'd think anyone else should be any different. Same goes for me. I think it's just expected here that if you have that much of an issue with someone , that you put them on ignore, whereas other forums don't necessarily HAVE that option to self-moderate.

Jack isn't here because he can't control it. Plain and simple. And frankly, all he did when he WAS here was propagandize his own games and mock Stern, so no love lost there. I've grown to like WoZ, and in spite of the TERRIBLE theme, Dialed In is a fun game...but Jack is a non-starter every time he opens his mouth, and frankly, he needs a 'Jared' or a 'Zach' to be his mouthpiece, because he's godawful at doing it.

From an Australian's perspective, but generally speaking the active suppression of valid viewpoints for the pecuniary benefit of an individual isn't an acceptable cultural belief for us since Australian values are largely based around the principles of egalitarianism and the right to fair comment.

Most decent intelligent Aussies would agree with that statement in principle.

Hit the nail on the head. It is all about control.

Much like the big fish that dominates in a small pond who decides to establish a presence in a much larger ocean with only a handful of remora rather than an entire isolated ecosystem to protect them and gradually comes to the realisation they no longer have the same level of piscatorial clout.

Does any one know how these 7.5 boards relate to the 2.0 Woz thread I read about . WOZ scares me I have wanted one for years but the Light Board issues keep me away . Three collectors in my city had WOZECLE and all had light boards and GI go out multiple times .

GI and light boards are the same thing. WoZ uses boards (big and small) for the inserts and the GI. It's really not that big a deal if you're looking at a WoZ with buffered boards already. Those do fail, but at a MUCH reduced rate from the unbuffered boards. BUT, if you're looking at a used early-run machine with the original unbuffered boards, take off $750 for eventual replacement of all the light boards. They will all eventually die if you leave it on enough, and once that process starts, it seems to accelerate until they're all replaced (at least in my experience with it). Tech support said fixing it can be like nailing jello to the wall, and I agree.

Most likely they were the older 5v boards or the 7.5v board before the buffer was released. Since the buffers far and few problems have happened with the boards. I wouldn't let that scare me off from an awesome pin, especially in a HUO environment.

...did.....did that really just get said? And do trout have the most piscatorial clout?

It really seems to depend on how many parrotfish the trout can surround themselves with.

Or at least that seems to be how the oddball taxonomy operates down here in southern waters.

Thankfully there appears to be much more biodiversity north of the equator.

You can't use the daughter board as a guide to know for sure if the boards are buffered or not.

There are versions of the buffered board with no daughter board. The circuitry is integrated into the board.

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When did they start making those? I've never seen one with the circuitry integrated.

I got my first one at least a year ago now I think.

You got to figure with as many as they were going through it had to happen. So much less expensive to do than to retrofit everything.

Though with the WoOz 2.0 light boards, kind of pointless now.

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Pinball Classics
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Quality Board Work - In Home Service
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I really wonder how much a 2.0 light kit will cost. I heard over $1000, but given how unreliable the older boards are, it would almost be worth the hassle and cost.

I heard $1800. It's not just light boards. It's power supplies, new wiring, light boards, etc. i was told approximately an 8 hour job to remove the old stuff and put the new stuff in.

Except for those of us who have a game that doesn't use the 2.0 system and needs a replacement board. The 2.0 boards aren't compatible with the old system.

Well, I meant pointless from a production standpoint.

I know I'm not changing everything over to 2.0 on the games I'm responsible for, with the cost and work it will take.

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Pinball Classics
http://LockWhenLit.com
Quality Board Work - In Home Service
borygard at gmail dot com

You would also have to drill the playfield to expand GI holes for the larger led tubes in the 2.0 playfields

I am confused what the "2.0" system is....Is that the 7.5 boards that say rev 1.1? I'm looking at a used WOZ with a 8/19/2015 build date and trying to figure this lighting issue out. Any advice? Thx

No. WoOz 2.0 light boards are completely different. Same system as used in The Hobbit and DI.

A 2015 build date should have buffered boards I would think.

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Pinball Classics
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oh, are the 2.0 lights available, or is that the "kit" thats not available yet? The lighting issues sure is giving me pause on getting this machine :-/

WoOz 2.0 lights would require rewiring and replacement of all of the existing lighting system. Not an easy or quick job by any measure.

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Pinball Classics
http://LockWhenLit.com
Quality Board Work - In Home Service
borygard at gmail dot com

Not available yet.

LTG : )

I know different people have had different experiences. Mine are the "buffered" boards and I recently had to replace two of them. JJP sent me new ones and as long as send the old ones back I only have to pay shipping and my game is over two years old. That's pretty stellar service in my book.

Yep those guys are always right there to provide excellent warranty replacement items for the issues. They go above and beyond to help us out. That should be reason enough to make a purchase!

How does one visually distinguish between the buffered vs unbuffered 7.5 volt boards? The first round of 7.5v buffered boards had those little daughter boards on them but what about later games before the 2.0 boards? I've read that those had the buffering circuitry integrated. I'm looking at a standard edition with a build date of 11/2013 with 7.5v boards. If these are the unbuffered boards, should I wait to find a game with buffered boards? I really don't want to spend north of 7k and feel insecure about its durability or resale value.

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Bump for question posted above...

Many owners have 7.5 unbuffered boards in their games, including my own, and have never had an issue.

Any version prior to the 2.0 will eventually be obsolete, regardless of the failure rate. If the main boards do not have the integrated Ethernet jack, they will not be readily replaceable in the future, once supplies of the old boards are exhausted. the new boards all have integrated Ethernet jacks.

But with that said, just as stated above, many folks have never had a failure.....but others have had multiple failures in short time spans. Just hit and miss. I did the 2.0 upgrade on my 7.5 V ruby Red a few weeks ago and it is not technically difficult, but it is very time consuming.

I thought I read that upgrading to 2.0 requires additional wiring and enlarging playfield holes?

Plenty of re-wiring, but just involves swapping cables (not soldering and crimping etc...).

All the smaller light boards need tiny pilot holes for the screws to bite into... They are smaller than the originals so won’t work with the old holes. But we’re not talking drilling through the PF or anything like that

Does anyone have a 2.0 upgrade cost estimate for a waaay out of warranty second owner?

No enlarging any holes.

Same same.

LTG : )

Crazy idea that I am sure JJP might not entertain but I wonder if the would consider a Group bulk buy discount on these 2.0 kits for us down users. Say we place an order for 20 kits? 30 kits? The value is making a single large run vs 30 individual parts kit runs. Would be great and I am Certain in my area alone I could gather 4-5 kit orders. If some awesome guy like #LTG ran the group buy how could they say no! Lol

So I feel I can deal with the work aspect of installation. What is the approximate out of pocket cost of 2.0?

Actually pretty easy. I'm at the bottom of the food chain. You'd need more awesome than me.

LTG : )

Great idea, but at $800 a pop (pricey as that is) I don’t think they are profiting and may even be taking a slight loss considering all that is in the kit. There have been rumors price may go up over time, but regardless, I feel like this is a good will gesture on JJP’s part and am happy they offer it.

Interesting ! Can you tell me what's a pilot hole, my only fear with getting the 2.0 upgrade was to drill the playfield.

A tiny hole not too deep into the playfield to start screwing a screw into.

Small boards instructions say 2 each, one each is plenty.

LTG : )