I'd definitely tell Jack I want a free replacement playfield right from the getgo at those prices.
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Quoted from Law:12500 plays in 2-3 years is also absolutely possible.
After 12,500 plays, won't the playfield around the pops be worn all the way through?
Quoted from ecmurrayf1:I checked Stern's website and MSRP for Kiss LE is $8,795.
Pay retail???? Furgetaboutit................
Let the price climb to $10,000.
If no one buys it, the price will come down.
If people keep buying, then it's priced right.
Quoted from DaveH:Really?? Judging by the newer ones I've played, they are getting cheaper and cheaper feeling. They are taking more out and charging more. Nah, not looking more appealing than their own games from a few years ago.
I've been playing the KISS pro and it is not any cheaper feeling than any old B/W pin.
Quoted from benheck:What kind of price jump do you think we'll see when Stern finally goes to color LCD?
I was hoping they go back to numeric displays.
Crappy animations suck.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:but they can also keep stripping down features which is a hidden price hike.
I would be hard to imagine a more stripped down DMD game than AFM, yet it is the funnest game of all time.
I don't look for how much crap is piled up on the playfield, I look for entertainment.
Quoted from o-din:I was hoping they would go back to mechanical score reels.
Every display since sucks.
.....and they gave you WNBJM.
There is no pleasing you.
Quoted from mnpinball:Plus it's not licensed so that saves on the BOM cost per unit.
That's true.
That will take $20 off the price right there.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Motorized drop target bank,
Just leftovers from BK2K, which probably had more total features (and a much better soundtrack) than AFM....lol
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Also, AFM would be nothing without its great rules, audio and callouts.
Exactly.
Without its great rules, it would be nothing but 6 shots.
Quoted from PinJeff:There is a lot in there.
It's not like "a lot" of anything expensive.
Inserts are $.03 each.
Coils are $4
Pop mechs are $1
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Even if you want to talk about finished parts, in quanties over 1000:
A finished, decaled cab is $400
A playfield is $200
A motherboard $50
A blockbuster movie license $20
You guys are putting the pussy on a pedestal again......
Quoted from hillbilly:It doesn't take a genius to see that the quality of build is far greater on the JJP.
Same 1/2" thick playfield.
Same thin playfield clearcoat (some say worse).
Same 3/4" thick cab.
Same decals on cab.
Same painted lockdown bars and legs.
Same flippers, slingshots, and pops from 30 years ago.
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Where exactly is the BUILD quality of WOZ **far greater** than any other modern pin?
Quoted from hillbilly:So the LCD isn't an improvement on the DM?
You were talking about BUILD QUALITY.
The LCDs are not old enough yet to judge how well they are built. Will they last 30 years like DMDs? We don't know.
Quoted from hillbilly:Widebody and better constructed cabinets.
Widebody is a size, not a example of BUILD QUALITY.
WOZ cabs have the same 3/4" plywood, with the same loc-joints and metal corner brace that all recent pins have.
Same braces than run across the bottom as a 70s Bally.
Quoted from hillbilly:graphics shows through.
I have not seen the graphics show through, but I have seen the wood show through the graphics (around the tree pops).
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Quoted from lancestorm:A 99% coded game...priceless.
Agreed.
"Although when you only put out one game every 5 years, you have plenty of time to get the code right..." - - - - - Devil's Advocate
Quoted from hillbilly:LOTR is a beautiful payfield, I wish they would have taken the extra step to white board the playfield. You can see the the wood grain through the graphics.
I can't see any woodgrain showing through on mine, but no doubt different batches were made.
I have seen where the white is really thin on some Champion Pubs, so no doubt it happens sometimes; depends who was manning the press that day.
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:Look inside the cabinet and you'll see it's not made or assembled like other pinball cabinets.
You are right.
Completely different than any other pinball cabinet ever made.
No 3/4" plywood, no loc-joints in the corners, no decals, no glue holding them together.
No wonder they hold together completely when tossed from rooftops.
Quoted from Aurich:Remember when digital amps first came out? Manufacturers would put weights in the bottom of them, because otherwise they felt too light, and analog users were used to associating weight and heft with quality.
I sometimes repair amps that have huge machined aluminum sinks along the sides, and no transistors or rectifiers on the inside sinking any heat into them. They do look pretty though....
Quoted from Aurich:Thing is I think people have started using this "it's heavy, therefore it's quality" argument too much. It's just a pinball. And they break and have issues just as much as anything else.
That's how you know that Genie is the highest quality pinball machine ever built.
355 glorious pounds of quality.
Quoted from Frax:Holy hell, I'm glad I never went to buy a Genie then...love the game on emulator and the real thing, but I'm not gonna move that.
I'm a big guy, but I take the playfield out and the head off when I move those fatherfnckers.
Quoted from Firebaall:I'll say it again: Anybody that has unsecured money in Jack's hands, better think very carefully about the potential of losing it all. This price hike could very well be the barometer of a collapse.
Everyone knows that new businesses run a 95% failure rate in the first 5 years.
Sure you could lose it all, but I'm sure no one here put their last $9,000 in Jack's hands.
Yous pays your money, and yous take your chance - Bruce Cockburn
Quoted from John_I:I know this is slightly off topic, but I just finally watched the third of the Hobbit movies. What a letdown this whole series was compared to the epic LOTR movies.
That's what happens when you take a thin book and stretch it out 9 hours.
Quoted from Crash:Not as bad as this...
» YouTube video
We watch that every Christmas, commercials and all.
Quoted from LOTR_breath:BTW, they are rated 8.0, 8.0, and 7.5 respectively on IMDB. And that is a tough crowd!
The 61% on Rotten tomatoes would be more realistic.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_battle_of_the_five_armies
Don't forget, a company can sell a product for whatever it wants to in any given market location.
Canon lenses are more money in Japan, than they are in the USA, even though they are made in Japan.
Martin Logan speakers were less money in Den Haag than anywhere in the USA (they are made in Kansas, USA).
Quoted from fosaisu:Of course, I was just surprised that there was a "price adjustment" on an existing pre-order. But sounds like it's common practice where exchange rates are involved?
Not that I've ever heard of.
But it all depends on the contract he signed.
But if someone already paid for their game; why would it mater what the current currency exchange rate is?
The transaction has already taken place, right???
Quoted from clg:I'm glad that there is nothing from the US I particularly want right now!
Then all we can give you is our love.
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