2010: "Damn Pinball prices are too high.... Stern has a monopoly on the industry- we need more competition!"
2015: "Yay! We now have somewhere between 2.5 and 3.5 companies making pinball... and prices are..... aw shit... higher!?!?!? "
Quoted from Banker:
This has to do with labor cost going up by government mandate . Every parts manufacturer labor cost is going up.
Wow - so I imagine ALL manufactured items just saw a 5.5% price increase?
I think its far more likely JJP has FINALLY gotten a handle on how much it really costs to make these machines and it's a LOT higher than their initial estimates that they based prepay on.
Hard to imagine Jack was able to predict the MASSIVE delays they've experienced releasing not just WoZ but now TH as well. Also, there has to be cost associated with the redesigns they had to do (on both machines!) and the costs they incurred replacing defective WoZ light boards, etc.
So, before they can "wean" themselves off pre-pay- they have to stop "stealing from peter to pay paul" and build enough into the selling price to turn some profit....
Just a guess....
Quoted from jgentry:
The main problem was with lots of new innovation they introduced a ton of unknowns that were not properly QC'ed and tested long term. This resulted in a lot of problems. .
Can you expand on how their difficulty properly clearcoating a plywood playfield falls under the "new innovations" category of excuses though?
Quoted from John_in_NC:
Wow, some of the comments really reflect the current socialist climate as of late. People thinking they can dictate what something should sell for. JJP is somehow f**king customers? JJP can ask WHATEVER they want!! they make a product, they sell the product. YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY IT! I don't like the upward trend in pricing so... I won't be buying. Simple, nobody is screwing anyone.
If JJP can squeeze more money out of buyers to try to get financially stable- then power to them.... If this allows him to get rid of the long-term preppy model- then the sooner the better! If he's priced it to high, they won't sell.... thats the market at work.
But lets be consistent:
JJP is a for profit company trying to make as much money as they can. The can jack up prices as high as the market will bear..... and shift production to bring in new money, etc, etc. All fair. However, lets finally dispense with the happy horseshit about how Jack is in this "for the love of pinball" - at least anymore than Stern or DP or anyone else is for that matter.
Quoted from Pinbally_1968:
HobbitLE Price increase!
from 7500 to 9500€
Thanks, but no thanks! Cancelled my pre-order!
Would it have been the same hit if the hobbit would have shipped as (contractually) promised? Of so, oh well. If not, you should get a little relief.
Though, one question, if the exchange rate had change in the other direction, would folks feel the same way?
Quoted from iamabearsfan:
I would have to agree. Even both of my teenage boys were yawning during the third movie. They stretched out the story with "action" that frankly was grossly overdone. Maybe they are targeting the common denominator. I can tell you that we are done with that kind of movie. Frankly is boring to us. There needs to be a balance....they lost it with that series.
You're exactly right.
For me, the Hobbit movies were a HUGE disappointment- and this is coming form someone who thinks the LOTR trilogy was one of the best set of movies ever done in the genre!
I've watched each of those LOTR movies multiple times... and I will STILL stop and watch them if they are on and Im flipping though the channels. The Hobbit? Not even close.... I saw all the movies, eventually, but it felt more like I was "checking the box" seeing the final film.... kind of like watching the last few episodes of Heroes, even though I had lost interest along the way.
Jackson "sold out" on this project. He should have made ONE great film. The result was an abomination.
The ambivalence towards the finished product (the films) and the delays of the pin have really sunk much of my early interest in the project. Im still hoping for a great game.... but they both lost me along the way
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