In a related story, my ECLE just went up in value as well. 
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Quoted from DaveH:I couldn't see myself paying that much for it either, and I own a WOZ. I love this freaking hobby, but not at those prices. I will never join the 10k club. I don't know what causes the psychological barrier that exists at 8k, but I'm not crossing it.
Get a pin done by HEP. You'll cross that barrier with gusto, then say, "Thank you, Chris. May I have another?"
Quoted from RobT:The hobby has jumped the shark.
It jumped the shark the day I arrived on Pinside.
Quoted from beelzeboob:I saved money on my WOZ! The preorder model is still alive!!!
Quoted from lowepg:Yep... You really "saved" ....... Well, as long as your version of reality doesnt include quaint things like the stock market or money investment.
You've lost your sense of humor. 
Quoted from o-din:Do you know how to tell if it's a real good game or not? Turn the sound all the way off and play it. Then you will know. Try it some time.
Okay. Just tried it.
All my games suck. 
Why do you guys keep bringing up the stock market? Who cares about f**king stocks? Pinball isn't an investment, and my comment about saving money on WOZ and the preorder model was a JOKE.
Now, before the mods get their panties in a bunch, let's post updates about Hobbit.
Anyone? Anyone? No. I didn't think so.
Quoted from beelzeboob:Now, before the mods get their panties in a bunch, let's post updates about Hobbit.
Oops. My bad. This is the WOZ price increase thread. I can't keep my JJP-bashing threads straight anymore. 
Quoted from JoeGrenuk:No, it didn't.
It was a joke. 
Quoted from jimjim66:Biggest misconception about pinball, it IS an investment. Not so much for people that stick them in a man cave, but since most of them go into location for play, it is an investment. They even have have a magazine called Play Meter that talks about earnings from arcade equipment, pinball being part of that. Return of Investment is still part of the purchasing decision on arcade games for operators.
Besides MMR, and the pin, when they stop putting coin doors on pinball machines, then they stop being an investment. Even if you exclude operators, tell flippers pins are not an investment. Tell operators that when they sell old equipment, price doesn't matter.
The better terminology should be, pinball is NOT a GOOD investment as there are easier and more reliable ways of making money.
Jack said one of the reasons he picked WOZ as a theme was his WOZ coin pusher was doing incredible on location. The WOZ slot machine was doing great on location. So he figured WOZ pinball would follow suit.
To finish my point on where this is going, for WOZ to have a price increase it can only mean one thing, it MUST BE SELLING. Basic economics. When demand exceeds supply, prices go up. Operators say it is making them money, so maybe they are the ones driving up demand and not the home collector market.
It's not making any money in my game room. So for me, it's not an investment. It's a hobby. Hobbies cost money.
Quoted from SilverBallz:so when is JJP throwing in the towel?
Quoted from SilverBallz:how could you downvote my post? i was just questioning fatality83, who seems to have done some detective work.
It's obvious JJP is doing very well based on this price increase and the lengthy delays with new WOZ orders. They can't keep up with all the demand.
It was a nasty jab, or at least read like one.
He's not throwing in the towel, and you don't start a pinball company in this economy if you're a quitter. (A little insane? That's a different discussion.)
New pics of parts and playfields on the Hobbit update thread. I'm feeling much better about my preorder now.
Quoted from ek77:People who over pay for game need a excuse why they have done so.
I don't. The fact that they're a hell of a lot of fun, and they're in my house instead of somebody else's, is all the reason I need.
Quoted from Craig:Congrats! How long does it take to get there? Just curious.
A fat Spamaholic Hawaiian paddles it from the Port of Los Angeles via hand-carved wooden canoe.
So...you know...a long time.
Quoted from John_in_NC:Wow, some of the comments really reflect the current socialist climate as of late.
I don't know what you're talking about. I just think that all pinball machines should cost the same amount of money for all consumers.
Quoted from kaneda:Well I'll say this, I just ordered some PDI glass and its $375 shipped with tax. Getting invisiglass and shaker I guess are worth it.
Only problem with that is that when I get invisiglass, I upgrade to PDI.
I'm pretty sure Pinball Star was selling both the LE and the SE at the lower price at ReplayFX. So you don't necessarily have to pay the higher price.
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Quoted from lowepg:kind of like watching the last few episodes of Heroes
Don't know why you watched the first few episodes. 
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