See this Stern? A pinball where the code is being worked on and it's not secret and the people are happy. It seems like madness I know, but you might remember this Keith guy, he's pretty smart.

The point is that Keith has been very transparent about the code, how updates are coming, even in this case showing release notes while it's still in beta, and communicating. And that's the right model to take.

Has nothing to do with Keith vs Lyman, or anything else, purely about companies and their philosophies and which are just frankly better. Is anyone here upset that JJP is letting you know what code is coming? Are you going to not play a WOZ on location now until it drops?

I've been a vocal critic of Jack, but I'm happy to admit when JJP gets something right, and this is definitely one thing they do better.

I feel like you're arguing with me by repeating the point I'm trying to make, so I'm just going to say I agree! And leave it at that.

You haven't been paying attention if you think this is the sum of it, Keith has openly discussed code updates throughout the whole process, including what's coming, when it might be ready etc. This is just the latest in that, and I felt like saying something. A week ahead of time with detailed notes? Stern can't even give us notes when the code goes live sometimes.

So yeah, I think it blows Stern's retarded black box model out of the water. It's Gary or Gomez or something making that call, to keep their customers who send them millions of dollars in the dark, and I'm sick of it. JJP is handling it better. They can't keep just about any other promise, but when they do thing right then credit is due.

Hardly a surprise, of all the issues WOZ has the code isn't one of them. Hiring Keith was the smartest thing Jack ever did.

I know I'm sure not! All my info on upcoming WOZ code has always come from Pinside. I've followed it out of curiosity only, since I have no intention of ever owning the game. Just watching the process is all.

Now, centerflank, what kind of balloon animal can I make you?

Here you go sport:

You could do it like No Good Gophers (for example, maybe others) where there's a high score of the day.

I'd love that just for league nights, don't even have to move your game to have that be useful.