Hey guys, been dealing with the new service manager at JJP, Barry. Nice guy. Sold me on the new 2.0 boards. They are red boards they have in stock. He says no telling when green board will be back in stock. Cost me over $8 bills.

Anyone else upgrade and find the new red 2.0 boards and much duller than the 7.5 boards? Looks like they reduced the led boards from four leds to one and thus the duller effect. Certainly something JJP should have said on their website before you bought. We were thrilled with JJP. Any thoughts or these??? This was hard earned money in a crazy economy that we feel taken advantage of. His responses in emails are sporadic. Once you spend two days working on replacing plus all the cash, you feel a little ripped off when you could have searched the the original issue better.

Just frustrated, trusting and now broke. JJP could have been more up front about the color change. Barry said there is a difference. Thanks for telling us now, two days and eight hundred dollars later.

Thanks for any advice.

One more thing, Barry tells me the that me and my family of four have"sensitive eyes". Really bothered by that. No big deal if one person sees it that way, but insulting if your entire family sees the same issue.

Man you guys are quick! So to clarify a couple things, Barry sounds like a real nice guy and spent a long time talking to me, but in the end never mentioned the color issues other than saying some people who are purest will see the white lights more blueish when I asked him if anyone had any issues with the 2.0 boards.

Also, when I say Barry sold me the boards, he sold me on the red boards. I decided to upgrade after speaking to Jim who was also super nice and took a lot of time with me. So rather than continuing to try to trouble shoot the boards, I finally decide to upgrade and order the new ones figuring I will need to do that someday anyhow and we love the WOZ.

Even though they say out of stock, JJP builds the kit when you order. So a couple weeks later, I get an email from Barry saying they don't have the green boards in stock, but the red ones. I ask Barry what the difference is? He says no difference and he thinks they look nicer than the green. I asked why red? He said that before he came to company, these were ordered as prototypes and for some reason they got a hundred of them. He says they won't order more until they sell all of these and no telling when that will be. Well nuts! What are my options now? Wait until??? Also, I could have been told that when I ordered than weeks later. I would have continued trying to trace the issue. Anyhow, he assures me multiple times that the red "prototypes" are the same as the green boards. So I say go ahead. Then he tells me if anything is wrong, he will fix it. I asked him what should go wrong? He said nothing other than another guy who is a purest didn't like the red. I will say that I saw another pinsider later selling a ruby red edition with red boards. I asked Barry about that and he said some red boards were installed in new machines. Confused.

After I talked to Barry about the install, he said there were differences, but JJP went with the best leds available. Still, could have said they are dimmer.

Ok, long enough story. Again, not a Barry bashing. Just saying JJP should tell you upfront when you sink $800+. Just asking if anyone else notices the difference who did the upgrade with the red boards in particular? The 7.5s really lit up to us. Sounds like some of you do notice it and that confirms my eyes.
The boards are centered perfectly. It's just a bummer after all of that money and work to turn it on and find that somewhere over the rainbow is a cloud.

Btw, the 2.0 install directions they updated in April are pretty good. Out of the gate, some of the boards had a different part number in the instructions. Followed other pinsiders' posts who had done the change and that too was helpful. If anyone needs help, happy to give pointers if you ever decide to go with 2.0s. Take your time and plan for every minute of 12-14 hours for the first time! No one is kidding about that. Thanks everyone.

Yes. I just kicked it up from normal to top level which is high. Yep. Made a difference. Not much, but can't complain either. Thank you.

Don't know about difference between red and green. JJP says no difference when I asked. Also why I posted so others are aware. I had read a lot of threads before buying and don't recall any discussion on brightness, so hope this helps someone when deciding. I decided too because of people talking about price going up (which was confirmed could happen) and boards not being available at some point. Rumors or not, I didn't want to risk missing out and stuck piecing out for years. If you're on the fence with 7.5s, in hindsight, I'd probably try to trace issue if simple. Otherwise, it's probably worth the "light" sacrifice in the end. I will say it again, just good business to know in advance of what you are trading off when upgrading. In the end, with your help, the trade off is now negligible and there's a piece of mind knowing you don't have to worry about static electricity and the next board failing.

Last question, anyone know if highest lighting level puts more of a strain on leds? Heard somewhere not to let WOZ sit in attract mode or turned on without playing. Reason I ask.

Thanks again!

Regarding photo of 2.0: Don't disagree if you didn't see 7.5s hours earlier. 7.5 leds had four leds on each light. New ones have one per light. New boards are thinner and might even seem cheaper because they look like they have less going on with them. But, they also just feel/look like they are made better because of that. Ethernet cables and all. Just feels better. Anyone walking up to table for first time will just be impressed. To your point!

So let me correct myself on the 7.5 boards. They are not made of four leds. Looks like a couple. They are simply bigger. I attached a photo for anyone unfamiliar. My apologies for that.

Also, bag board is separate. That came green. In fact, it was a mix of red and green. Big boards were red and smaller ones were a mix. Don't think that helps anything here but I attached another photo.

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