I have not played either, but may have a spot opening in my lineup so could add one. What do you think??

I have never owned any Stern since they went to large LCD screen. I realize Stern would be somewhat less money etc..

I see what you mean. Just found one JJP semi local (65 minutes from me) it's in a location so I don't know it may be set up like crap. But I will give it a look this weekend I hope.

I played DI on location and it was like crap but in my home it's great.

I need to play PotC but whenever I look at the videos I just zone out because I don't know what and all that talking and just too much going on. It almost seems like a hot mess.

This is a point. I sold my LotR which I love but was like work, it would sit in my game room and I was afraid to sell it but also didn’t want to play it a lot. So played LotR at a friends house and got like 80% to the DTR on my first game and realized that one play was enough.

I’m not sure if PotC is like that but I don’t want that.

Well that’s a point. If JJP Potc was hell on wheels it would be selling better and I could play it without driving 65 minutes.

On Pinside more people list TNA in their collection than JJP Potc.

We know 550 TNA produced and almost 50 more people list TNA in their collection than all versions of JJP Potc.

I’m not saying boo or that Potc is bad but it’s not selling like anything. It’s like meh for sales. JJP admits as much as they are stopping production to make a 4th version of Woz because no one is clamoring for more Potc.

Thanks mate.

I have a Stern PotC for 10 years started the Stern PotC owners club too.

That’s kind of what happened with Woz RR and YBR.

I know. Looks like you are the closest Pinsider to me with a JJP PotC.

I was able to play 10-11 games on JJP PotC last night and have found both good and bad.

Good, it's beautifully built and beautiful to look at and has a crap ton of toys/ spinners/flippers /targets /shots /modes/ character abilities... It's fun to shoot even if I didn't fully understand most of what is happening, it's just fun to shoot. It feels like TZ + WoZ + Tspp + PotC all rolled into one.

Bad, still it's costing what $8500/$9500/$12500 + shipping (?) idk I would not put it past JJP to want $11,500 for the pin in the future (RadCals etc) just like YBR Woz. It can't have been cheap it feels like two Stern pros combined.

Bad:

rules are confusing. I understand there is a thread like this is PotC made simple. But I'm not there. It's like as if I was playing Tspp or Woz for the first time without knowing anything about the rules. I'm sure there is good stuff in there but imo it's still confusing. And while it may have 30 or 50 modes they all seem to be "this is the mode xyz movie scene hit these 4-5 characters mode. I’d rather have fewer modes (like DI) and let them be more of an event rather than mode 58 = hit Jack, Will, Barbosa, and xyz other character. I mean ok that's the movie characters but I am not really feeling that is a gripping way to make the modes stand out.

It’s super well built but I need to play it a good bit more to feel like if I want it or not. If it's really long slog like LotR (great pin but just really long slog that is not what I need in my life).

Would have been better if you could choose a movie and it played alone. I know it’s all in there but I mean if you have one movie separated rather than 5 movies worth 8 scenes all mixed up.

Ha, joke was on you because I didn’t have hardly any points to begin with.

BTW this appears to be the most intricate pin ever made. I can see why it costs as much as it does, it’s the Rolls Royse of pins.

There’s almost too much going on if they makes sense.

I’m wait and see. I’m hard pressed to believe they won’t make more Potc. I need to play it more to decide.

I agree with you about PotC having a lot of different rules (never see the same game twice etc.) that is not the same thing as saying PotC is the best pinball machine for me to buy.

AFM you can write the rules on one page and I mean all the rules. IOW playing AFM is an exercise in playing the same game over and over. However I love AFM and would not trade my AFM LE for a PotC LE. I mean that AFM is the Mona Lisa, not the Sistine Chapel. I'm perfectly fine with that.

I guess some people worry about becoming tired with a game as if that is the main reason to buy something. I have PotC (Stern) for over a decade still not tired of it, I could sell it or trade it and get a RBION or FG or some other pin. But I like Stern PotC, I enjoy playing it. Not to say that I don't enjoy RBION or FG just that if I sell my Stern PotC then I'll miss it. And that's a factor in what I buy or sell. I sold LotR not because I beat it or because it was not a good game just that for me it was not a lot of fun. I think TNA is more fun than LotR. TNA is probably not as good of a game as LotR, TNA is not super deep or have a lot of toys but it's just fun to play.