Idk, I think you’re forgetting some others

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I think it's the fact that the only satisfying shot in the game is in the Windcoaster. Even the lock shot doesn't feel good to hit. And you need to hit the stand ups to start the locks, which aren't fun at all, the angles are all off.

Last Action Hero is an awesome movie. It was considered a bomb/bad movie when it came out, but nowadays people "get it" and its fuckin sweet. Is it one of Arnold's best? No. But its toward the top of the next tier after that. Awesome fun movie. If you think its bad, I really suggest watching it again knowing what they were going for. The marketing at the time made it seem like yet another summer action blockbuster when in reality it was parodying that very thing. Also I'm mad that people have realized LAH is also a great pinball machine because its a little too pricey for my tastes these days. Anyway, thats my Last Action Hero rant...

Oh yeah, I remember the specific awful call out in Hook. That kid making a rooster call.

Holy shit, gets on my nerves.

Some historical revision going on here!

1) It was suppose to be a blockbuster, so much so advertising was purchased on the side of a rocket!

2) The movie was intended to parody action films and one action film writer in particular and the studio meddling was so bad... by the time the script was "completed" the very writer they were roasting in the film was brought in to finish it.

To make matters worse it opened against Jurassic Park.

3) Huge Arnold fan during this time period; I saw LAH in a live theater and just watched it again a year ago. It was bad then and still just as bad now. Charles Dance is the only bright spot in the whole film along with the pin we are discussing.

The Hamlet short was pretty damn funny though.
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I saw it in the theater too. Didn't like it one bit. Its awesome now. No its not total recall or terminator 1 or 2, or even predator, but its fuckin awesome. You're entitled to your opinion, but theres a reason that its pretty widely considered to be a good movie today

It has Whiskers in it; so there's that!

Q-Bert.

As you say, you are entitled to your opinion.

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I honestly think Zelda would have held up well, especially now as more Millennials age and enter the real earning years of their careers.

American Gladiators was all hype for like, a month. Once the novelty wore off, ratings nosedived.

Really unfair to the designers to change the theme, especially considering Gottlieb developers had a fraction of the time their colleagues at Bally/WMS had to push a game out. Here, Gottlieb management did it TWICE!

Yeah the same place has higher audience scores for the transformers sequels. I'll take RT with a grain of salt

Transformers, like one of the highest grossing franchises of all time?!
Crazy world.

Pulled this from another Worst Thread worth seeing again....Arron Spelling *Added: It's not in our database either.

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Good point I guess, what a movie makes in the box office directly correlates to it being good or not.

Not necessarily but it is ONE metric.

I love Blade Runner, it didn't do that well in the initial release but picked up steam after.

A lot of great movies came out at the same time such as The Thing, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Conan the Barbarian and E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial.

A Blade Runner pin would be intriguing, don't see it happening though.

I've just never understood it. Everyone hates the movies, yet they keep making them, and they make a shitload of cash.

Exactly. Too bad it took until BumbleBee to make one with a good story.

I know, I was being a sarcastic jerk.

I don't really get it either. Kids? A big spectacle movie that only the theater experience can do proper? I have no idea either. Maybe theres just no shortage of people who just want to switch their brains off (or they were never switched on in the first place) and see things go boom, but theres way better movies for that too. I saw bad boys 2 in the theater 5 times, so what do I know? Bad Boys 2 rules btw

If this thread title was 'Worst Pinballs to make operators money', hands down it would be South Park

I've heard Halloween does very well on location also.

Just stopped in to say everyone trashing Gold Wings is straight up wrong. It's the best 80B machine imo.

Its in the top 3 for sure.

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Just read the first post and need to catch up. I thought these was going to be who makes the worst pinballs, not worst machine. This should be interesting.

There's NOTHING flat about a 3D molded tongue and lips over a ramp!

It's downright bulbous!

I know it's no masterpiece but I like playing Stones, and it's not just cause I like the Stones.

Nowhere near "worst ever" on that one!

Weird to say this is the first time I've ever heard this.

I think he mixed up Mick Jagger and Steven Tyler? Or is Mick Taylor in that pin?

Only in a few of the songs (Happy, Only Rock n Roll come to mind)

It's trendy in pinball to trash Gottlieb. Have a podcast, if you say you like Williams/Bally and sit on on your rear and trash Gottlieb, it is instant popularity.

Look at the top 100 machines, in the few exceptions, Gottlieb has never stayed top 100 they hover around 112 to 113 and down.

Ron Hallet said everyone wanted variety they had it, was Gottlieb/Premier. People stuck their nose up at them and passed.

Now the expectation of remakes it only going to 90s Bally/Williams, forget Gottlieb/Premier, just remake W/B and the rest be trashed and forgotten.

NBA fastbreak, metal toilet bowl in the middle of the playfeild vs shaq attack with actual moving basket but according to pinside it's the best thing since sliced bread.

That flipper layout is different than what was already out there though. tell me a Williams game that was bold enough to even breakout of the bottom flipper formula.

The great whale pinball

Oh BAD games? I can tell you about some bad games.
Gillian’s Island is downright awful, and might be hands down the most lop sided scoring ever put into a game.
Get the rope, 300k, the seltzer, 500k, collect all this junk worth literally peanuts, along with any and everything else on the playfield.
Shoot Kona for 50 million!
Dumb.

Sounds fun for me!
Its all about the high score and arguably the most amazing toy in pinball with an island that turns changing the balls pathway BRILLIANT!
Then again, I am biased

A lot of games from that time had similar scoring. T2, Bride of Pinbot, most system 11s with progressive jackpots(cyclone, taxi, big guns,etc.)

Games like Game Show or Gilligan would never make it into my keepers, but if I was out on location or at someone's home and got a chance to play a few games I would be all over them. I was never a fan of DE Time Machine but got a chance to play one not long ago and loved it. To me a bad game is one you just have no desire to play, look at, or even want to hear it. Hook is definingly in that category for me. Nightmare on Elm Street is another. I had a Freddy here last year to shop out and the worst part of the job was playing it to make sure everything was good.

Jacks to open is hot trash. Not fun whatsoever.
Wheel of fortunes code is literally a brick wall.
Bally lost world- awful

T2 is not similar at all. Yes it had some big super jackpots, but you could get some good points elsewhere with looping and payback time, the scoring works in T2.
And Hook with new Chad code makes that game pretty fun now.

My worst game so far was SWEP 1
I was aware of the bad rating but gave it a try as the price was ok
It was annoying-sold to a friend who likes it more...

That’s an underrated game. The scoring is very balanced, the modes are fun, it’s unique as hell, and a battle to keep the ball in play long enough to get to Jedi spirit is not easy. Multiballs are also a hoot. There’s way more good than bad in swe1.

Ep1 sucks. One of the most boring games I ever played.

As I recall a lot of the hate for Transformers stemmed from the Robots not looking like people remember from the old cartoons. I think the first couple movies were fine, personally.

I'm trying to think of the pins I've played that I've actually hated, I can't recall what I disliked when I played pinball as a child. I will say it's generally hard for me to play any of the old, classic, pinballs, before all the fancy screens and ramps and such, but it's probably not fair to name them, since it's just a factor of the era.

As far as modern pins, that I've played in the past few years, and I haven't played a lot of them, the lower playfield on Munsters LE was about the worst thing I experienced.

PLenty of other hate to go around...oh man that LE "upper playfield;" worst add on ever.

Scoring is whack as you say, shots and general layout didn't age too well...
However, theme integration, toys and callouts are great ("Nice Coconuts"). The latter pulls it out of the hate/worst bin for me..

My biggest complaint with Gottlieb were the flipper mechs. Way too much travel. They created an enormous valley when held; you could trap anything at almost any speed. And they were basically on or off. Very hard to get subtle post passes, etc.

That said, Stargate was a true sleeper. The best Gottlieb game of the 90s and a great treatment of the theme. It deserves a better rating than the ~120 it has here. Top 100 for sure.

I remember going to a location that had SP and MB next to each other, there were no other pins. I put a lot more money into SP.

Man SP was pure shit when it came out.

How many pinballs left in Ukraine Igor?