I guess I will join the party! WCS was #2 on my pin wish list (STNG #1) and happened to score a dirty one for my first pin. Apart from cab decals not being available it will clean up pretty good I think. I have one burnt connector that controls the back box lighting. Need to get that fixed as it is flaky right now.

Sweet!

Mod how? Translite? Cabinet?

I have a couple of questions.

1. Are there many differences in the latest rom compared to an older one. I have the LA1 rom in my game.

2. Does anybody know what switch/optos activate the whistle sound and score about 10-20,000 points? Occasionally the ball wil sit in the shooter lane and the whistle will keep going off and awarding points. It also keeps the ball finder from activating.

I think the theme, is double trouble for it. First you have most Americans that despise soccer, then you have a lot of people that turn their nose up at the sight of the cartoon dog. I personally am a huge soccer fan, but I could live without striker.

It was the tackle switch, it was pushed together and was making sporadic contact at random times.

I might try to come up with something. I know gameongraphix will do backlit marquees for arcade games so I am sure they would print a translite.

does that one use a standard solenoid? Check and see of the sleeve is dragging or broken. Give it a good cleaning. Also make sure your solder connections are ok.

I wish mine would just stay closed indefinitely Shooting the full orbit without the kickback lit is suicide!

Also, I started a full shop out today on mine. I have everything taken off of the playfield except the metal posts. Giving this puppy a full shop Has anybody tried the lit star posts on their WCS yet? I am thinking about adding them to the slings at least.

http://www.greatlakesmodular.com/products/pinball/spl_kit.html

Cracked? Mine feels like it is made of leather.

Damn I could use that Header plastic! Nobody has them in stock. I will get some pictures of mine once I get done shopping it out. Waiting on some Cliffy's to arrive.

The one that says Kick Header on the far right of that picture. I have one, but the bottom under where it says KICK is broken off.

That is just a news article for the CPR repro set, which is sold out now.

That is pretty cool! I need one!

I should buy one as a backup, but mine is still in really good shape. I am sure it is a repro though. I have already spent to much this month on the machine, I need to throttle back a bit Cliffys, LED's, Shooter rod, connectors.....it adds up

I did, well the cheap one on eBay anyways Stock it isn't that great, but I sanded it down and repainted it and shot it with clear coat. Turned out pretty good I think.

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Has any body else got an updated rom with the non-ghosting patch? I just installed the one I got and it works great! It completely eliminates the ghosting on the LEDs under the playfield! The version number is really weird though, DX-76.

Well, I didn't have access to that so I had to go to Canada for mine I honestly don't know much about the different versions. I do know that the grand champion on the new rom is 2,000,000,000 points! I think on the LA-1 rom it was stupid low at 600,000,000.

$13ish shipped. I will PM you.

It keeps the leds if you have them in the playfield from ghosting. Which means they completely shut off instead of lightly flickering when they are supposed to be off.

Google search yielded this.

http://emmytech.com/arcade/led_ghost_busting/

I think having to light the kickback and also putting lightning flippers would make for quicker games for sure. Also, turn off the extra ball reward. Basically, set it up for PAPA rules.

I finally finished my 'down to the bare playfield' shop of my WCS94 It took me a while and it is only my second time shopping a pin ever and the first one was a Laser War, that was a piece of cake compared to this one.....

Full LED's and I think it looks really good. It looks like a different machine than the one I bought 2 weeks ago I also installed Cliffy's, Yellow post rubbers, new rubbers, removed mylar, novus and waxed playfield, novus and flame polished ramps....yanno, the usual.

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Thanks, I bought them individually. It ended being over $120 cheaper to do it that way over buying the kit and I think these colors work getter anyways. I can make up a list if anybody is interested. I mainly used Frosted Cool Whites for all of the GI except behind the goal, which are green. Also, instead of purple I used pink for the purple inserts and saucers, I think it looks a lot better than the purple did. The purple had way too much blue.

As for the 3 lights on the backboard, they really aren't bad being the frosted ones, but color changing might be kind of cool. I was going to put 3 pink frosted in the coin toss but I didn't order enough pink like a dope.

I know this is my first pin, but I almost feel like if I can tear this game down and shop it, I can almost do any game

I don't find these too bright, but maybe I am not as affected by bright light as some. The anti-ghosting rom works great, I can't recommend it enough. I saved a lot of money not having to buy non-ghosting LEDs.

Sure thing, if I get some time later I will get a list up.

I am curious what PAPA does as well. Just from removing the mylar and waxing the playfield I have made my game exponentially more difficult! I was averaging around 700,000,000 a game and now I am about 200-300,000,000. I have the outlanes wide open as well and I put it in tournament mode so the striker awards are not random. I am thinking about turning the kickback off at the start once my family is kind of done playing it. My machine is going to be used in the tournament at the Big 80's Weekend coming up at the beginning of August so I am going to adjust a few things, but I don't want to make it impossible.

I am thinking:

-Keep the outlanes open
-Kickback not lit on start
-Goal only lit on first ball
-Striker Award not awarded on unlit goal.
-Turn off Extra Balls (only for tournament)

That shot may be easy on your game, but I have a VERY tough time hitting the kickback target consistently. It may just be that I suck though Shots from the tip of the flipper are very difficult for me.

As for the LED's and such, I replaced the saucers with new ones from Marco and they look 100x better IMO.

Well, I think I have maybe 'fixed' the travel issue of going straight into the kickback. I installed Cliffy's Yellow post 'rubbers' on my machine and they are a tad thinner than most post rubbers that come in kits. Now instead of shooting straight into the kickback upon traveling, it comes down into the left slingshot in a very smooth motion that is pretty controllable.

I kind of wonder if that was the way it was originally meant to be as it feels much more smooth than it did before clipping that post rubber and going into the kickback.

Here is my LED list from Cointaker:

Kickback Arrows x3: 555 Cool White Super (FLEX if you want brighter, kind of offset)

Magna Goal Target x1: 47 Orange Super

Cities inserts x8: 555 Pink Super

Goals inserts x4: 555 Warm White Super

Coin Toss x1: 555 Warm White FLEX

Light Lock (Speed/Stamina etc) x4: 555 Cool White Super

Saucers x3: 47 Pink FLEX

Build Lock x4: 555 Cool White Super

Tickets x2: 555 Pink Super (mine are blue as I forgot to order these) Blue looks good too.

Free Kick: Yellow Super (555/47???)

Lock Arrows x2: 555 Warm White Super

Special and Ball Save x2: 47 Red Super

Extra Ball x1: 555 Red Super

Lighting Bolts x4: 1 each 555 Super Red, Blue, Green and Yellow (I am going to change yellow to pink) These correspond with the different ramps and such with the colors I used there.

Goal x2: 555 Warm White

Jackpot x1: 555 Red Super

Goal GI x2: 555 Green Frosted

Pop Bumpers x3: POP Bumpers 4+1HP Cool White

Ticket Rollovers and Ultra Jets instert: 47 Pink supers (I think they are 47's need to verify)

Coin Toss assembly x3: 555 Cool White (Thinking of going with Pink/Purple)

GI is all Cool White 555 Frosted. I ordered 70 of them for everything that used frosted including the backbox.

Ramp plastics x6: 555 x2 Blue Frosted, X4 Red Frosted

Then i ordered Cool white flat flashers for the playfield. I Color matched the dome flashers. The goal top flasher, the ultra jets flasher, the insert behind the goal and one of the ramp yellow flashers need to be the premium flashers that have the globes on them or other wise they don't light correctly as the regular ones are flat and only project one direction.

All together it was about $120, but I didn't order a few I have listed there as I had a few already from a sample kit. Still, compared to their kit at $250 it is a pretty good deal. Also if you use this list, double check the bulb type before ordering 47/555 as I may have some backwards.

I hope this helps.

I just uploaded a bunch of pictures from my shop job if anybody cares

http://www.flickr.com/photos/73313935@N02/sets/72157634251831874/

Oh I don't know I worked on it some every night for two weeks. I would say I probably have about -10-20 hours on it. It was my first extensive shop job so I took my time.

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Does anybody else feel like the Final Draw hole is one of the harder shots out there? What I mean is, when you are on ball three, you finally locked that ball on the left ramp and you have to hit that shot to start multiball. That is a pressure shot and it is so easy to brick it and have it drain down the middle. The magna goalie is useless for anything traveling faster than a snail.

I can slop it into the TV hole left and right until multiball/final draw is on the line then I am a bricking machine! I don't know if I will ever get to Germany. I have made it to Spain twice I think. Today I kept adding the extra ball just to see if I could get there, I finally went for cities and was one shot from starting the World Cup Final and I never could hit the TV hole

The game can be infuriating but I still keep coming back for more.

Funny enough I am better backhanding it than not. I have to have it trapped though to do that, and that can be an adventure The right ramp I can only hit by accident as well......

Woot! I finally made it to the Cup final and beat Germany. I will tell you what, that final is intense! Plunging and flipping and plunging and sweating! Just to think I almost went to bed without playing one more game for the night

I know a lot of you make it to the final a lot, but that was my first go round. Very cool, I love how the GI goes out every time Germany scores.

Damn. I need to learn to control multiball better, I am my own worst enemy as I am always shooting a ball into a ball coming back down.

I like the pink under the ramps. I may have to try that.

It's quiet in here.......

Awesome! Congrats!

I put cool white frosted in the GI and I think it looks amazing. I am not affected by strobing at all on it.

The header plastic being broken is pretty common from what I have read. I need to order a new one for mine as well.

Yep, shopping these out it quite a job, best to do everything all at once.

Ya I have that damage at the ball drop above the rollover and below where the ramp drops. The ball will actually hang there sometimes. I am going to cut some small clear vinyl circles to put there to help. Hopefully that will at least keep it from getting worse.

I just put a Flipper Fidelity speaker upgrade in my WCS. It sounds better, but I don't know if it is $140 better. I will have to play around with it some more.

My goalie has a similar problem, but it is the other direction. It isn't enough to really affect play, but after watching some videos of other machines, mine definitely doesn't go far enough to the left.

I am sure mine affects play some, but not as bad as yours sounds. I can usually shoot around mine unless it is multiball then it is save after save

Same here, mine doesn't even go down there, it comes out well above the optos.

I am a huge soccer fan so the theme is perfect for this American

On a side note, I rebuilt my flippers yesterday and they feel great now, but it seems like the alignment hole on the right flipper makes it a bit low. Anybody else notice this?

I figured out my problem. I wire that goes to the switch on the goalie was getting caught on another wire underneath and it was plulling on the goalie wire keeping it from going its full motion. Since the goalie is mounted on a spring lever it was just pulling it back some. I reran the wire so that it doesn't bind and now I have full motion on my goalie! Now if I could just get my kickout cliffy's to stay down, they keep popping up from the playfield even though I really cleaned the area before putting them on.

Honestly I think I would only trade mine for a game of a higher value that I really want and some cash on my end. Of the games that are of moderately equal value, I think WCS is a better game. I am a big race fan too and Indy 500 looks awesome, but I have never played one. If it were really good I might consider that.

Mantis doesn't make them for WCS to my knowledge.

I wouldn't bet on them staying down without some sort of adhesive. I used the tape supplied with my cliffys and that didn't hold them down. The inlane protectors and the TV and Striker holes are fine though.

You could have picked a good team

Well, tonight I decided to tackle my raised Cliffy problem....... that sounds weird.

I took them off and gently put a downward curve bend into them. Now they lay flush against the playfield. We will see how long that lasts.

You can get to most of the GI from underneath, you just have to unscrew the PCB they are attached to. But yes, it is a lot easier when all of the ramps and plastics are off.

Backhanding is much easier for me, but I have gotten better at hitting on the fly from the left flipper. I just takes a lot of practice.

Also, on the Cliffy's, I noted a while back that I bent the Cliffy's down. Over 600 plays later they are still lying flat. I thought it was worth mentioning.

I used frosted cool whites from Cointaker in my GI and I think it looks great. A few pages back I also provided a list of LED's I used in the playfield....at least I think I did.

I would say that you traded up quite a bit Congrats!

I just replaced them on the machine I sold to Dayvv. They are easy to replace as they are connected to the harness by a molex connector?

It is either in this thread somewhere or in my thread ya. I don't have the list anymore as I sold the game, so if you search for it here you should be able to find it.

Here is my post from earlier in the thread regarding LED's.

No autoplunger on WCS. It makes it that much more hectic, which is intended IMO. Beating Germany in the WC Final is one of the best feelings in pinball if you ask me

Yup, it is shocking how much the sport has grown here in the last 10 years.

I am the opposite, never played but I love watching. I am one of those people that despised soccer for the better part of my life until I watched the 2006 WC because it was one of the few things you could get in HD back then (shallow I know) and I have been hooked ever since. Back then the MLS was terrible and I gravitated towards the EPL which I still watch, but the MLS has improved greatly in that time. I was at the Eastern Conference Final in KC a couple of weeks ago (18 degrees...brrrrrrr) and it was awesome! Looking forward to the final later today.

There will always be haters.

On topic, I am starting to miss my WCS94, but I don't think I want to get it again until my collection has grown some.

I had to take them off and back bend them by hand a bit and then put them back on. Seemed to work pretty well.

That is what everybody told me before I did it. They stayed flat on mine for at least 500 games after bending them and I know the guy that bought mine and he hasn't mentioned them lifting up again. I put a pretty good bend in them, almost a crease.

I was saying I didn't need it as mine stayed down fine long after bending them. I don't think I was very clear in my response, sorry.

Ok, that is awesome. I am going to look into that for my Judge Dredd. Watching that really made me miss my WCS.

I go back and for on the auto-plunge thing. Most of the time I think it needs it as it is annoying when I am playing, but when I am not playing and thinking about it, the lack of the auto-plunge is what makes the final that much more hectic....which a World Cup Final should be IMO

Has anybody powder coated the armor on the their WCS yet? I was thinking if you could color match the teal it might look pretty good. My dad is getting a WCS soon and he was asking me if I had ever seen on with powder coated armor. I thought I saw one with purple armor a while back but I can't find the picture.

Yep that is the one I saw, thanks.

ABS plastic?

Good luck with that, seriously. Hard stuff to find for less than a fortune.

Yup.

I wonder if you painted the soccer ball if you couldn't coat it with PlastiDip spray on rubber coating. That is flexible and has a rubbery feel to it.

What about painting with acrylic? It is flexible.

Cool white frosted bulbs from pinballbulbs.com look great in this game. A lot of people like color bombing it, I like the clean white.

Looks like the right one but was bent.

That is really odd that it doesn't have a mounting hole......

Ah...

Word from CPR is that they are planning a re-run of the WCS plastics.

Looks great!

Fwiw, Rick at PPS mentioned that repro cab decals are in the works after they get the ones for Indy 500 done. So this means they will probably be out in 2016 or so.....

If done in teal, please do it like the picture above with the black outline. Don't just do all of the lines and pentagons in teal.

CPR is supposedly running new plastic sets sometime soon.

I would be happy if it said England instead of Great Britain.

Probably the one up on the left ramp before it drops through the hole onto the lower ramp?

I have never had a ball get stuck there on two different machines.

Ya, the scoop never lights on the ones I have played until you at least make the lock shot.

I had that problem too. If I remember it goes on the ramp above the pops maybe. It has been a couple of years since I shopped one.

Yup, will be previewed at Expo this weekend.

Soon™

Squashing bugs ATM, will be done soon.