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1 week later
Got it unwrapped. It made the journey safely.
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Now to get it on legs and gone through and every contact cleaned to get it up and running.
Quoted from jrpinball:I call that game "the most wedgehead-like woodrail".
On the other hand, "Sweet Hearts" would make a passable woodrail.
Nice pick up.
Thanks, yeah. The gameplay is very fun. My mother and I played it at the Manitou Penny Arcade here in Colorado and she really liked it so this is going in her collection once I get it working.
I ordered a set of roto stickers from Arcade Rescue before they closed up shop so I should be getting those soon.
4 months later
I'm finally getting to working on the Wagon Train.
First thing I noticed is the wiring on the coin door is a bit odd. There should be more cut wires that would have went to the coin switches but I found only one cut wire. This slam switch was also purposely bent closed.
Does anyone have a photo of what this area should look like? I have a pair of coin chutes I picked up and I would like to get at least one 10c coin mech working. How difficult is finding those parts going to be?
I have Schematic and parts manual on order from PBR but if anyone can shed some light on the coin door wiring that would be great. Right now the lights only come on when that slam switch is making contact which doesn't seem right...
I removed the bottom board and starting cleaing contacts. cleaned everything on the bottom board and score motor. I found that the contacts on the "R" "Hole" relay were also purposely bent closed and the coil was burnt up. Checked it with a MM and its shorted, reads 0.4 ohm.
Can someone with a Wagon Train let me know what that coil is supposed to be?
Thanks!
Quoted from MarkG:This discussion might belong in its own topic, but here's part of the Dancing Dolls schematic (made a couple of months later) and some answers.
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On the coin door the Coin Chute switch (in red) should connect the orange and blue wires.The Anti-Cheat switch (in red, bottom left) and Bounce switch both need to be closed for power to get into the transformer.
The R relay switch (in red, left side) also keeps power running into the transformer. The R relay coil (in red, top) is always on and often looks toasted. But unless you desoldered one of the solder lugs the .4 ohm is likely the resistance of the transformer and not the R coil. Either way the R relay coil in Dancing Dolls is an A-3498 which should have a resistance of about 30 ohms.
The important point though is that nearly everything you're asking about is between the plug and the transformer and is running at 120 volts so I would advise unplugging the game before poking around any of it.
/Mark
Thanks for the info Mark.
Seeing the schematic makes it makes sense about the bounce switch being the opposite of a typical slam switch.
I did find a partial scan of the relay list in another Wagon Train thread and it shows the R relay as the "Hold" the label must be misprinted "Hole" and it confirms the 3498 coil.
Thanks for the reminder on the 120v, this isn't the first EM or woodrail I've worked on.
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