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#1451 80 days ago
Quoted from Mopar:

Well, Sea Wolf's been played enough.
I'm confident she's ready for the line up.
It may have takin' 62 years, but she now
found her Forever Home..
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I like the color of your Sea Wolf coun door. In fact I would own that game if one was available for a reasonable price! I did my Satellite door with Rustoleum Satin Nickel which I think is very close to the original finish.
Your game spacing (maybe temporary) is why Gottlieb created wedgeheads for 1960 to allow players enough room for their fingers on games next to each other. Not sure on Nags legs. Others should chime in that own the game.

#1452 80 days ago
Quoted from stashyboy:

Your game spacing (maybe temporary) is why Gottlieb created wedgeheads

Yea, it's only temporary. I moved the baseball machine, and now there's room for Nags.
Then the Night Rider and Black Jack will be getting moved and replaced with a couple Williams
early 60s single players, then those 5 machines can be spaced out and that'll make plenty of
room for side by side flipping..
After measuring the thicker (taller) cabinet on Nags, 28.5" should bring it pretty close
to the same height as Sea Wolf and Nags, but I'll wait for possible confirmation.
I'll make a little deal. You keep an eye out for a Satellite. I'll keep an eye out for a Sea Wolf..

#1453 80 days ago
Quoted from Mopar:

Pretty busy week coming up, but this one's about to come out of the gates next..
I'm thinking this one gets 28.5" red legs, right?[quoted image]

Can't wait to see what you do wit Nags. It looks like its in decent shape from the looks of the head.

#1454 79 days ago
Quoted from Gritty:

Can't wait to see what you do wit Nags. It looks like its in decent shape from the looks of the head.

I won't be able to do much with it this week, but next week I'll be skipping in there time to time..
I usually first do the head, then prop her up so she's standing on her own 4 feet. Bottom board out.
B.B. in. Underneath playfield. Trouble shoot. Then strip and clean the playfield.
She's in pretty good shape, but notice some flaking on the playfield that I hadn't seen before, so
once a take a couple pics, I'll be asking for suggestions, but for now I'm maybe thinking a properly
cut piece of mylar..

1 week later
#1455 72 days ago

Well, a bit rainy today, so I went through the head of Nags. One of the race track's
perches was loose, so I glued that and will be putting the head's components back in
before long..
Also got the main Pony standing on it's 4 legs..

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#1456 71 days ago
Quoted from Mopar:

Well, a bit rainy today, so I went through the head of Nags. One of the race track's
perches was loose, so I glued that and will be putting the head's components back in
before long..
Also got the main Pony standing on it's 4 legs..
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All time classic game... I remember hanging out in an arcade in Ocean City Maryland, mid-70s. Spent hours playing games like Big Indian, Sheriff, NOW, Bow & Arrow, Magnotron, and so many other pins from the era.. and there sits NAGS 20+ years after it came out, still collecting for the operator. At that time, every game was well maintained including NAGS... still played great! Nice blast from the past... your game looks like it's going to look spiffy clean, thanks for posting your game.

#1457 70 days ago

Nice! I see a Palooka head in the first picture.

#1458 70 days ago
Quoted from Dono:

and there sits NAGS 20+ years after it came out, still collecting for the operator.

That's pretty cool! There can't be many that can say they remember playing a Nags when
on location, although it doesn't surprise me a whole lot that a game like Nags could still hold
it's own many years later..

#1459 70 days ago
Quoted from Dono:

All time classic game... I remember hanging out in an arcade in Ocean City Maryland, mid-70s. Spent hours playing games like Big Indian, Sheriff, NOW, Bow & Arrow, Magnotron, and so many other pins from the era.. and there sits NAGS 20+ years after it came out, still collecting for the operator. At that time, every game was well maintained including NAGS... still played great! Nice blast from the past... your game looks like it's going to look spiffy clean, thanks for posting your game.

Love these stories.

#1460 70 days ago
Quoted from PinballFever:

I see a Palooka head in the first picture.

Oops! Am I maybe insinuating a weeks suspension from this thread having a metal
rail in one of the pics? I'll practice on being a little more discrete while taking future
pictures..
O.k., anyways. A couple weeks ago I took a pic of one of Palooka's plastic for a Fellow
collector, and since I eventually plan on having a few Reverse Wedge Heads set up, I
figured I'd bring it right into the room.
Now for that other head. That machine is what gave me all 4 true 2 Player U.S. Gottlieb
Add-a-Balls..

#1461 70 days ago
Quoted from Mopar:

Oops! Am I maybe insinuating a weeks suspension from this thread having a metal
rail in one of the pics?

No, not at all. The head seemed familiar to me until I realized what it is. I had a Palooka because I thought an Add-a-Ball would be more fun than a replay machine but it didn't do much for me.

#1462 70 days ago

Haha. I was only joking about that..
Yea, some like Palooka, and some not so much, but years back an old time vendor mechanic
told me that in 1970 when he first started, a Palooka was still on route and every week the
coin box would be full to the top with dimes. Many must have liked its simplicity..
When she was over, that's all one Friend would play. So now that I have the space, I'll be setting
it back up..

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#1463 68 days ago

Well, Wednesday I jumped back in the saddle, and today I finished getting
the Nags completed and gone through, and have to give Stevein Texas a nice
well deserved Thank You for taking the time to take pics of the labels. It was a
big plus, for I was completely missing the labels for the relays in the Reset Bank..
I had a problem not getting the Gate Relay which activates the Game Relay
which puts the machine in Game Mode and me not being use to a machine that takes
5 Balls, Steve informed me that the ball needs to pass through one of the upper
guide lanes before the Flippers would work, then I instantly realized that's what
energizes the Gate Relay. I was trouble shooting and there was no trouble! After
going through it, the machine worked 100%, and I didn't even know it. Haha.
The flippers are strong, and everything seems to be working as they should, but
all except one insert had to be reset and glued, so tomorrow I'll give it a little
workout before putting her in the line up..
It's in decent shape except for one spot in the upper left. The playfield appears
to have been clear coated, and that one spot looks as if something didn't take
just right, but it seems to be stable. Not moving, so I'll just keep a little eye on it..

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#1464 68 days ago

That looks to be in great condition Mopar. Well done. I quite like Nags and I remember doing work for Steves worn platter over 6 years ago now. <waves to Steve> Here's a bit of the artwork I did for him.
Cheers, Mal

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#1465 68 days ago

Very nice looking Nags !

#1466 68 days ago
Quoted from Mopar:

I finished getting
the Nags completed

Oh my! Are those high scores carved/written into the coin door? Those look like hard scores to beat. Has game has seen plenty of play?

#1467 68 days ago
Quoted from Hyperball91:

Here's a bit of the artwork I did for him.

Quoted from Hyperball91:

That looks to be in great condition Mopar. Well done. I quite like Nags and I remember doing work for Steves worn platter over 6 years ago now. Here's a bit of the artwork I did for him

Thanks!, and from what I see, good looking art work. Nags surely is worth the time..

#1468 68 days ago
Quoted from NoQuarters:

Very nice looking Nags !

Thanks NG!

Quoted from Darcy:

Oh my! Are those high scores carved/written into the coin door? Those look like hard scores to beat. Has game has seen plenty of play?

Yup, they're high scores and they're not carved in deeply, but they surely don't clean off.
Yes, they are great scores. If I had that type of game, I might even carve the score.
No, no, no! Not really. (Well maybe on the backdoor. "haha")
I had another Nags at the same time I had this one, but despite the high score carvings, this
cabinet (and I believe the entire machine) is in better shape, but still maybe should have
hung onto the other one until I had one shopped and gone through..
Two things were/are missing from this machine. The Score Card, and the play meter, so no
way of telling how much play it has seen, but she's not a bad looker.
As someone has stated, the only bell is the one when a horse wins.
While playing a machine from this era, silence is a bit boring, so today I added a bell to the
1's, and another to the 10's Relay. To me, it makes for a much better player, which it absolutely
is, but for me, I maybe think I like Gusher's and Sea Wolf's play a little better..

#1469 67 days ago

I have a quick question. I know 1956 Williams pins used wooden legs, but were
they commonly red, or 50/50 red/stained? IPDB has a Fun House flyer, but black
and white. Can't tell the legs' color. If both were used somewhat equally, I think
maybe red would look best..

#1470 67 days ago
Quoted from Mopar:

I have a quick question. I know 1956 Williams pins used wooden legs, but were
they commonly red, or 50/50 red/stained? IPDB has a Fun House flyer, but black
and white. Can't tell the legs' color. If both were used somewhat equally, I think
maybe red would look best..

My Screamo has red legs. Looks like stain. Thinking it is still original. One side much more faded. I might restain at some point.

You have Fun House?

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#1471 66 days ago
Quoted from jaytrem:

My Screamo has red legs. Looks like stain.

Okay, Thanks. So you're thinking they came factory stained.
Yea, I have a Fun House. Although I'm basically EM metal rail,
years back I made a trading deal only because I liked the looks
of Fun House (although a chunk was missing from the backglass),
and later learned how rare it seems to be. I see another one on
the IPDB, which actually it's playfield's basic color appears to be black,
mine is blue, but I don't know of another..
The height of the front of Fun House's cabinet is 11 3/4". I'm sure
it's the same as Screamo's. Do you happen to know what length Screamo's
legs are? In the barn I found 2 different lengths with one a little wider
and an inch shorter. I think those are the ones, but I like to make sure
before I begin to work on them..
I had a new glass made. It looks and performs exactly as if it were
silk screened. I had an extra one made so it would be more worth the effort
for my Graphic Designer and hoping someone could use it, but as I pretty
much figured, no one responded back saying they could use one..

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#1472 66 days ago
Quoted from Mopar:

Okay, Thanks. So you're thinking they came factory stained.
Yea, I have a Fun House. Although I'm basically EM metal rail,
years back I made a trading deal only because I liked the looks
of Fun House (although a chunk was missing from the backglass),
and later learned how rare it seems to be. I see another one on
the IPDB, which actually it's playfield's basic color appears to be black,
mine is blue, but I don't know of another..
The height of the front of Fun House's cabinet is 11 3/4". I'm sure
it's the same as Screamo's. Do you happen to know what length Screamo's
legs are? In the barn I found 2 different lengths with one a little wider
and an inch shorter. I think those are the ones, but I like to make sure
before I begin to work on them..
I had a new glass made. It looks and performs exactly as if it were
silk screened. I had an extra one made so it would be more worth the effort
for my Graphic Designer and hoping someone could use it, but as I pretty
much figured, no one responded back saying they could use one..[quoted image][quoted image]

Cool, would love to see more pictures! Backglass looks great!

Screamo cabinet is indeed the same size. Legs are 32 1/2". I'm not sure if they came stained originally, but they must have been stained a long time ago to fade like they did.

#1473 66 days ago
Quoted from jaytrem:

Screamo cabinet is indeed the same size. Legs are 32 1/2". I'm not sure if they came stained originally, but they must have been stained a long time ago to fade like they did.

Okay, Thanks.
Yea, it looks like they were painted over. I've seen pics of both stained and red legs
on Williams machines from that era. Perhaps others will chime in on their 50s Williams
wooden legs..
Just a little bit ago, I brought it up to the game room. The cabinets in decent original
shape, but did a little gluing and clamping in one spot. Once I get her stood up with
her legs on, I'll take some pics..
The other 3 late 50s Williams I have set up has red metal legs, so this one with red legs
would look good sitting next to them, but if I can find out what mostly likely it had originally,
that's what I would like to go with..
Here's some pics I had loaded in the laptop takin' a few years ago.
The playfield should clean up nicely, and now it has a new glass..

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#1474 66 days ago

Looks great, I'm jealous! Thanks for the pics!

#1475 66 days ago

Hi-Hand Wms 1957 woodrail bingo has red metal legs.

#1476 66 days ago

Yea. It seems when Williams first made the transition to metal legs,
red was their standard color..
I'm not sure if they choose that color before they went with metal,
but I think I'll be leaving the wooden ones stained..

#1477 66 days ago
Quoted from undrdog:

Hi-Hand Wms 1957 woodrail bingo has red metal legs.

I wonder if that's the color my Kings had originally? Somebody put wooden legs on them, so I don't have the metal ones. I don't think red would look very good on it.

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#1478 66 days ago

Well, played quite a few flawless games on Nags,
and now officially qualifies to be in the line up..

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#1479 66 days ago
Quoted from jaytrem:Screamo cabinet is indeed the same size. Legs are 32 1/2". I'm not sure if they came stained originally,

So, right after having coffee, I went looking in the barn for some 32 1/2" legs in the wooden leg
pile, and off to the side I see 4 wooden legs apart from the others. I looked them over, and part
of the masking tape was missing, but enough to show the word "House". Measured, and yup, 32.5".
Also, the upper backside of them where it makes contact with the cabinet has the same shade
blue as Fun House cabinet in that area which pretty much confirms that at least this 1956 Williams
came with stained legs..

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#1480 66 days ago

I have a couple good size outdoor projects this week, but have the Fun House's
head in position. The score reels are dirty, but they look good and are semily
free. Same with the stepper in the head. Not working smoothly, but far from frozen.
And last week while moving machines, I find a Fun House schematic that I didn't
remember having in a not so safe spot it had no business being in. Made me pleasantly
surprised. Maybe something to bring up in the "Happy Thread" haha..

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#1481 62 days ago

Well, Fun House is pretty much ready for the line up.
Was missing a bell and the Knocker, but I was able to piece
them together. All else was complete including the 5 & 25
cent coin switches. I have all Bumper Skirt colors on hand,
except for light green. Only had one, so after the next order,
2 of them will have to be put on, but for now the old ones are
working okay. Also, the non-active Bumper at the top I'd have to think
should have a Dome "Points 10 When Lit) cap. (scores 10 when lit).
The 1 and 2 Trap Door lights when the Trap Doors were unlocked
were in reverse. The soldered wires on the Change Unit Step Up all
looked factory, but after some testing, the wires for the #1 & 2 Trap
Door coils were reversed on the Change Relay. All is good now, and I
can see this machine being played in the 50s. She's a nice little multi-
player, and honored she'll be going in the line up..

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#1482 61 days ago
Quoted from Mopar:

Well, Fun House is pretty much ready for the line up.
Was missing a bell and the Knocker, but I was able to piece
them together. All else was complete including the 5 & 25
cent coin switches. I have all Bumper Skirt colors on hand,
except for light green. Only had one, so after the next order,
2 of them will have to be put on, but for now the old ones are
working okay. Also, the non-active Bumper at the top I'd have to think
should have a Dome "Points 10 When Lit) cap. (scores 10 when lit).
The 1 and 2 Trap Door lights when the Trap Doors were unlocked
were in reverse. The soldered wires on the Change Unit Step Up all
looked factory, but after some testing, the wires for the #1 & 2 Trap
Door coils were reversed on the Change Relay. All is good now, and I
can see this machine being played in the 50s. She's a nice little multi-
player, and honored she'll be going in the line up..[quoted image][quoted image]

Nice looking pin room.

#1483 61 days ago

That is the door from Hi-Hand. Wms 1957. Did they use it on different machines?

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#1484 61 days ago
Quoted from DCRand:

Nice looking pin room.

Thanks. My 3rd one, but the additions absolutely 100% has to stop here. haha

#1485 61 days ago
Quoted from undrdog:

That is the door from Hi-Hand. Wms 1957. Did they use it on different machines?

Yea. Must be they carried it over from the following year.
The only other example I can find of Fun House is on IPDB
and the cabinet's been painted, however, there's a flyer
and it shows it is the original coin door..

#1486 60 days ago

That was a common generic door for Williams woodrail games. I have one on my "Tim Buc Tu".

#1487 60 days ago

As far as I recollect, The Fun House was the 4th and last of my Williams woodrail pins.
5 pins will fit in that row between windows, so until another Williams woodrail is scooped
up, this will be next to be gone through and will be going in that 5th spot.
I'm pretty sure late 50 Gottliebs take 31" legs, right?

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#1488 60 days ago
Quoted from Mopar:

I'm pretty sure late 50 Gottliebs take 31" legs, right?

Yes, assuming you are referring to single player games.

#1489 60 days ago
Quoted from MikeO:

Yes, assuming you are referring to single player games.

Yup. The Rocket Ship..

#1490 59 days ago

One quick question. On the Rocket Ship, the 10,000's Unit was a mess. I got all the cobbed up
springs straightened out, and some of the EM arcade stuff has the same stepper bell, but on the
10,000's Unit bell, does the end of the arm that strikes the bell suppose to have a round metal
washer type item attached to it and makes contact with the bell itself? The end of the arm is striking the
bell and it rings, but there's a hole at the end of the arm as if something was once riveted onto it that
perhaps makes contact with the bell. Seems like machines with Stepper Bells that I've went through
had a circular metal or nylon type washer attached to the end of the arm..
Can anyone confirm? Thanks in advance..

#1491 59 days ago

From the '60 Gottlieb Parts Catalog:
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/Mark

#1492 59 days ago
Quoted from MarkG:

From the '60 Gottlieb Parts Catalog:

Thanks Mark.
The arm does look as if it has a washer type item at the end.
I'm kinda remembering them not being metal or maybe not
nylon either, but I think I'll first go with a nylon washer that
will slightly overlap the circular end of the arm..

#1493 57 days ago
Quoted from Mopar:

One quick question. On the Rocket Ship, the 10,000's Unit was a mess. I got all the cobbed up
springs straightened out, and some of the EM arcade stuff has the same stepper bell, but on the
10,000's Unit bell, does the end of the arm that strikes the bell suppose to have a round metal
washer type item attached to it and makes contact with the bell itself? The end of the arm is striking the
bell and it rings, but there's a hole at the end of the arm as if something was once riveted onto it that
perhaps makes contact with the bell. Seems like machines with Stepper Bells that I've went through
had a circular metal or nylon type washer attached to the end of the arm..
Can anyone confirm? Thanks in advance..

This is a pic of my Rocket Ship stepper with the ring although it appears washers were once installed.

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These are pics of my GTB 1956 Auto Race which indicates the inclusion of a washer either side of the arm.

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#1494 57 days ago
Quoted from wayner:

This is a pic of my Rocket Ship stepper with the ring although it appears washers were once installed.

Yea, okay. Thanks. I appreciate it!
This morning I had to take some pics of the Slick Chick, and I noticed its
0-9 stepper's bell arm had a washer. I didn't carefully look, but there
probably is a washer on the backside also..
The bell rings fine, but I'll probably locate a couple washers the right size
and apply them with a small bolt. I checked, and it's a #6 bolt that fits the
hole decently. Not that it would absolutely wear a hole, but a couple added
washers would cover more of the bells surface so the bell wouldn't be
receiving only a thin spot every time the bell's arm made contact..

#1495 57 days ago

Well, all is going fine with the Rocket Ship, but only being into metal rails forever,
does the light board actually have to be (semily) removed to change the backglass?
Looks like no other way..
Also, there's a "Game Over" on the backside of the backglass, but the machine I have
has the hole for a light socket where "Game Over" is, but no socket or any signs that
there was any socket ever screwed in it. There's no lead wire or neutral jumper wire
traveling near the socket opening either..
Because it displays the balls in the Card Tray, was it common for some not to have a
Game Over light?
If it's not particularly normal, I'll add one so it lights and shows "Game Over" after the
5th ball drains.
Any thoughts and/or confirmation will be much appreciative. (T)

#1496 56 days ago

Although the bg provides provision for 'Game Over' on Rocket Ship a light was not included in production however there is a simple reversible solution to include the light. Will take a pic and post.

#1497 56 days ago

Yes light board must be removed in order to get backglass out.

#1498 56 days ago
Quoted from jsf24:

Yes light board must be removed in order to get backglass out.

Yup, Thanks. I didn't see any other way..

#1499 56 days ago
Quoted from wayner:

Although the bg provides provision for 'Game Over' on Rocket Ship a light was not included in production however there is a simple reversible solution to include the light. Will take a pic and post.

Bulb holder installed in 'vacant hole' with x2 leads

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Ground lead attached via alligator clip

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Remaining wire to match feature

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At game over

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#1500 56 days ago
Quoted from wayner:

Remaining wire to match feature

Thanks! I have a Gottlieb criss cross that also has the abandoned “game over” in the artwork. I figured the match would be the way to go for pulling voltage at the right time, but hadn’t dug into it yet.

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