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Woodrail Pinballs


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#1051 15 days ago

Looking for a small step switch - 10,000 unit - for a 1951 GTB Niagara. Mine looks to be missing the bell, clapper, and possibly some switch parts. I haven't seen a pic of it yet as my oldest GTB factory catalog is Volume D, and the one in there is different. If anyone has a pic of it please post or send it to me. Thanks.

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#1052 15 days ago
Quoted from hoov:

Looking for a small step switch - 10,000 unit - for a 1951 GTB Niagara. Mine looks to be missing the bell, clapper, and possibly some switch parts. I haven't seen a pic of it yet as my oldest GTB factory catalog is Volume D, and the one in there is different. If anyone has a pic of it please post or send it to me. Thanks.[quoted image][quoted image]

This is from the 1953 manual. Hope it helps.

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#1053 15 days ago
Quoted from DennisDodel:

This is from the 1953 manual. Hope it helps.[quoted image]

That's it Dennis - thanks!

Now I just need a stepper from an early 50's GTB or there abouts.

#1054 14 days ago
Quoted from hoov:

That's it Dennis - thanks!
Now I just need a stepper from an early 50's GTB or there abouts.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you could change your bracket to the one that takes the regular bell clapper that has the shell underneath.I have an extra bracket but I'm in Ontario.

Ted

#1055 14 days ago
Quoted from novaguy:

Correct me if I'm wrong but you could change your bracket to the one that takes the regular bell clapper that has the shell underneath.I have an extra bracket but I'm in Ontario.
Ted

Thanks for the suggestion. That would be my Plan B if I can't find the correct stepper to steal parts from.

I actually have that style stepper in my parts bin you're talking about with the bell mounted on the bottom. I'd have to bore a hole in the bottom of the stepper to mount the bell. Then, I would have to cut a 4" X 1/4" slot in the bottom for the clapper arm. Then, drill the rivets in the clapper itself so the clapper arm can slide through the new slot. Then, reattach the clapper with hardware.

Hopefully, I can find the correct stepper. If not, I'll go to plan B.

#1056 14 days ago
Quoted from hoov:

Hopefully, I can find the correct stepper. If not, I'll go to plan B.

I forget the screw thread, but you should be able to attach a 3” bell to the coil bracket with a machine screw and then hack a clapper like shown on another thread (see link below). I first tried modifying a small steel rod to attempt to make a reproduction of the original clapper (had one to use as a model), but didn’t get a good result and so I hacked two clappers similar to as shown in the link below and so far so good in the machines that have them. Your switch looks like it should function OK.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/spot-bowler-100000-stepper-problem#post-4323524

Good luck!

#1057 12 days ago
Quoted from DennisDodel:

This is from the 1953 manual. Hope it helps.[quoted image]

Man, I've never seen anything like that; how the bell is mounted and that type of clapper.

#1058 12 days ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

Man, I've never seen anything like that; how the bell is mounted and that type of clapper.

As far as I know (which isn’t far), Gottliebs from 51 and 52 have 10k steppers/bell set-ups like this. If I remember right, I’ve seen these on a 51 Globe-Trotter, a 52 Four Stars (but not a Quartette), and a 52 Hit’n’Run. The coil bracket has a threaded screw hole in it where the bell mounts. And the armature from the coil has an extension from it where the clapper is located. See photo below (bell not installed, but you can see wear marks on the bracket where the bell was).

I looked again at the original photo from hoov of his bracket and his hole looks large and possibly unthreaded. I also don’t see wear marks had a bell been installed. Maybe no bell was originally installed in Niagara...?

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#1059 12 days ago

1950 4 Horsemen.

No 10000 point bell.

People sometimes retro fitted bells to this game.

#1060 12 days ago

Now I remember that the photo of the 10k stepper posted above (where the bell was mounted on the coil bracket) came from a 49 Three Musketeers. And so perhaps these were used on some machines from 49 (and maybe earlier) to 52 (and maybe into 53?), but not others.

#1061 11 days ago
Quoted from hoov:

Looking for a small step switch - 10,000 unit - for a 1951 GTB Niagara. Mine looks to be missing the bell, clapper, and possibly some switch parts. I haven't seen a pic of it yet as my oldest GTB factory catalog is Volume D, and the one in there is different. If anyone has a pic of it please post or send it to me. Thanks.[quoted image][quoted image]

A follow up to my Niagara missing bell parts.

I'm waiting to hear back from a couple people to see if they have the coil stop bracket with the bell attached and the bracket with the arm that holds the clapper.

If no luck finding, my plan B now is to send those two parts to Steve Young to have him fabricate the coil stop bracket to mount the bell and repair/weld arm to hold the clapper - he will fabricate a clapper also.

Quoted from novaguy:

Correct me if I'm wrong but you could change your bracket to the one that takes the regular bell clapper that has the shell underneath.I have an extra bracket but I'm in Ontario.
Ted

Steve said this bracket wouldn't work because of a couple issues with the way the bracket would have to attach to the old housing.

#1062 11 days ago
Quoted from hoov:

If no luck finding, my plan B now is to send those two parts to Steve Young to have him fabricate the coil stop bracket to mount the bell and repair/weld arm to hold the clapper - he will fabricate a clapper also.

I’d be interested in a few clappers if Steve fabricates them.

I’ve also been tempted to bore and tap a hole on the coil bracket to mount a bell and add an extension to the armature to mount a clapper on a 10k stepper from a Quartette and so will be curious to hear where you go with your Niagara.

#1063 11 days ago
Quoted from tfduda:

I’d be interested in a few clappers if Steve fabricates them.
I’ve also been tempted to bore and tap a hole on the coil bracket to mount a bell and add an extension to the armature to mount a clapper on a 10k stepper from a Quartette and so will be curious to hear where you go with your Niagara.

I'll keep you updated. I think Steve is just making a clapper for my assembly only and he won't be making any spares from what I got out of our conversation. You may want to contact him on that.

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#1064 2 days ago

I just got my first wood rail!! A 1959 Williams Tic Tac Toe. All in all it is in pretty good shape! I need to find some schematics for it, so I can determine what is what. I just ordered new plastics from Pinball Rescue as well. Next up is to figure out what all is wrong and then start cleaning it up. It has been in a home since the early 60's.

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#1065 2 days ago

Very nice. She’s a pretty one, should clean up nicely.

#1066 1 day ago
Quoted from ViriiGuy:

I just got my first wood rail!! A 1959 Williams Tic Tac Toe. All in all it is in pretty good shape! I need to find some schematics for it, so I can determine what is what. I just ordered new plastics from Pinball Rescue as well. Next up is to figure out what all is wrong and then start cleaning it up. It has been in a home since the early 60's.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

I got the schematic from PBR.
Thanks for the nice pictures, now I can see where the play counter goes. I have a replacement and pretty much guessed it would go there, but this confirms it.

Dave

#1067 1 day ago
Quoted from dgAmpGuy:

I got the schematic from PBR.
Thanks for the nice pictures, now I can see where the play counter goes. I have a replacement and pretty much guessed it would go there, but this confirms it.
Dave

Awesome! I will shoot him an email. Thanks!

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#1068 15 hours ago

My Dad picked up this Gottlieb Derby Day in about 1963. All original, with only new rubbers over the years and new pop bumper skirts.

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#1069 12 hours ago

Very nice! It looks to be in fantastic condition for it's age. Enjoy

#1070 5 hours ago

Beautiful! You are lucky to have it!

#1071 1 hour ago
Quoted from Idahojerry:

My Dad picked up this Gottlieb Derby Day in about 1963. All original, with only new rubbers over the years and new pop bumper skirts.[quoted image]

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