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Wonka LE Sling Post Chipping in one month!!

By rs812

3 months ago

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Post #1403 Response from JJP from the Pinball Magazine podcast Posted by RobertWinter (3 months ago)

Post #1407 Transcribed response from JJP from the Pinball Magazine podcast Posted by RobertWinter (3 months ago)

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#816 3 months ago

I hope you guys don't mind me chiming in on the Wonka thread, but since it relates to chipping around posts on a JJP game I thought this might be interesting. I just brought home a NIB JJP Pirates LE this past Friday. Born on date is 2/22/2019. The collector I bought it from never took it out of the box. Before I played game one.... I changed out the 6 lower slingshot posts to Marco Star Posts with their rubberized washers under each post. Before and after Pics below. As our family build games on it, I'll stay in touch to let you know if this was "The Fix" or not. Fingers crossed! We have much love for the Wonka too! Awesome game. - Murphy

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#820 3 months ago
Quoted from Psw757:

I have no doubt if these neoprene washers got to us sooner our slings never would have chipped.

I completely agree with this. As a lifelong automotive painter using 2PAC, I see the clearcoat "Doughnuts" that accrue around the posts after the posts have been tightened down as being the culprit. There is NO chipping in the middle of the play fields... just around the posts. The doughnut is what is chipping off the PF and taking the paint from underneath as well. Neoprene washer over the doughnut will likely solve the issue.

#825 3 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

Not true. We got chipping at the forks week one. No downward post pressure there.

I'll take a look at mine this week and check this out. I don't think it's the downward pressure from the posts being screwed it per se. I think it's where the clearcoat collects around the cut out openings in the PF. Downward torque would exacerbate the problem certainly, but the curing of these "new environmentally friendly" clearcoats are questionable. This is all conjecture from an old painter. I like your idea PinMonk of laying down Mylar in these areas, and will be doing this very soon. : ) - Murph

#847 3 months ago
Quoted from swinks:

look at there clear mixture as something drastic has changed of late.
I think these companies are going for a eco friendly water based clear which is quicker and cheaper to apply compared to a urethane clear coat.

This is something I mentioned in Post 825. I believe you've hit the nail on the head. In the aftermarket automotive paint shops it came down to a few things... new environmental regs dictated that paint shops upgrade their booths to meet new regs for spraying paints/clearcoats with high VOC's and aromatics. The alternative was to switch to more enviromental friendly products which have low to no VOC's and viola... you don't have to spend tens of thousands to upgrade your paint booth. And yes... you are correct the water based paints are lower costs. Ask any paint shop and they'll tell you the price of high end paints have tripled over the last few years. I use a Spies/Hecker Acrylic Urethane 2-stage for paint, and still use a diamond hard 2PAC over that. Both are now crazy expensive. This is just conjecture on what "might be happening" to PF's. I'm simply a hobbyist that has painted on the side for decades, and keeps up with the automotive industry. My day job is working with Automotive Manufacturers and their paint mix shops to remove overspray from their paint booth systems using flocculant and coagulant chemicals.

#882 3 months ago
Quoted from Axl:

What is the part number for the washer?

Good Question. I was given my Marco Kit from the original buyer. It had 6 star posts and 6 black nylon washers in it. I've called Marco and they are "checking into" the washer.

Here's what is WEIRD. Look at the slingshot under the BP ramp. Check out the Star Post at the top of the sling shot. This is exactly what many people are changing their lower slingshot posts to. This is Part Number 30-009005-13 in the JJP POTC Manual Page C-133.
I'll post a follow up if Marco can confirm the washer.
Thanks. Murphy

#902 3 months ago
Quoted from Axl:

What is the part number for the washer?

Talked to Marco a couple of times today. They did not provide Magical Productions the washer that were sent with tbe Marco posts my original buyer received.
I e-mailed MP asking where they got them from and they have yet to respond. In the meantime, Cale at Marco is trying to be helpful.
They have a "Lexan" washer they recommend. Part number is: https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/31-34-GD

Here is a pic. Seems slightly tall to me.
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#909 3 months ago
Quoted from romulusx:

That’s what I’m putting on my sling starpost.Their not as thick in reality as picture would seem

Please post a picture for us if you would upon installation. I'd like to get more and add to a couple of other areas. : )

#917 3 months ago
Quoted from mbwalker:

What does the bottom of the post look like? Is the only contact area around the outside edge?

Yes - the contact area is only around the outside edge. Hollow inside. Here are mine installed:
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#961 3 months ago
Quoted from Lermods:

So here are a few pics from my game, no damage that I can see. I hand tightened the star posts I added. There was no visible damage before I put the posts on, just did it for precaution. It was one of the first games off the line I believe

Could you please share the rubberized washer part number that you used under the large star posts in the Wonka Sling? Several of us are interested. My NIB POTC came with these from the original buyer in a "kit" from Magical Productions, but they have not responded to email requests for more information. It would be greatly appreciated. : )
Murphy Peoples

#1659 3 months ago
Quoted from donkadelic:

You don't actually believe he's on vacation, off the grid in 2019, at the exact time all hell breaks loose do you?

You joined Pinside TODAY, and your first post was to come out swinging at people? Huh.
As for vacations, most everyone I know in the work force has to "put in" for vacation months in advance. Typically they
travel with family, and try to take a break from the work world. I don't take work calls when I'm on vacation either. At least he was cordial enough to take a break and record a message.

#1664 3 months ago
Quoted from DerGoetz:

I have seen four POTC in person and played them, including the CE that I own myself.
All four had pooling, making it a 100% quota in my case.
What is your real-world quota?

Any idea of the play count on these at the time you saw them? Just curious if you knew. Were any that way out of the box?
POTC was definitely so bad that we got the "Post Update Kit". .

#1665 3 months ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Now that there is so much new blood buying and selling games... I can simply wait a few weeks and let someone else take the NIB hit... r

Smart. My new SOP.

#1830 3 months ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Thx for those. It's interesting in your examples many of them are wrinkling only on one side. It's hard to get the perspective in the tight shots.. but would you say the wrinkling is mostly on the side opposite of ball travel/impact?

For me, most every slingshot pic I've seen as the wrinkling TOWARDS the area the rubber is pulling the post. Which makes sense, as the sling coil puts pressure on the post in that direction as well. I'm not so certain this is "ball impact", but simply tension over and over as a ball hits the slingshot.

#1868 3 months ago

My repair tool came in from Amazon today. : )

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#1927 3 months ago
Quoted from DerGoetz:

Speaking of which, why is JJP not going after the playfield vendors? They are at fault to begin with.

How do we know he didn't go after Micro? And came to an agreement, and this is all part of said agreement? Just wondering.... : )

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