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Post #1403 Response from JJP from the Pinball Magazine podcast Posted by RobertWinter (4 years ago)

Post #1407 Transcribed response from JJP from the Pinball Magazine podcast Posted by RobertWinter (4 years ago)


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#125 4 years ago

Given the evidence and how it is plaguing more than one manufacturer I think this issue is without a doubt the new normal and it sucks.

If it is a cure issue things need to slow down

If it is a adhesion issue it needs to be fixed immediately moving forward by adding some type of adhesion promoter to the ground floor of the playfields or finding a product that bites in better.

If it is a product line issue like the clear itself it needs to be swapped for a better product.

No matter what it is if you cannot even install stationary plastic post on a playfield without damaging it then it will likely not hold up well to the moving silver ball.

#128 4 years ago
Quoted from PinMonk:

But is it really? I haven't seen ink adhesion issues with any previous or recent CGC or CPR playfields, and only occasional clear issues. This seems to be a Mirco/JJP/Stern issue alone (didn't Spooky use Mirco for TNA?).
I don't know if CGC WOULD make PFs for competitors or if CPR has the capacity over their normal lines to make playfields for JJP, but I sure would be on the phone finding out if I worked for JJP.

Yeah to be clear I am saying it is the new normal for the ones that have shown this problem consistently such as JJP across at least 2 titles,Stern across at least a couple or more. This is why I note more than one not just JJP.
CPR has different type of issues but it is not a durability issue.
Not familiar with documented CGC playfield problems other than thin screening on inserts like MMR.
They all seem to have something at sometime or another but this puckering at the post looks as bad as installing an overlay.

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#135 4 years ago
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The only issues I know about with CGC is clear cracking and peeling on early run MMr playfields. Some were pretty nasty. But I haven't seen any issues since.
The point is there ARE manufacturers out there doing playfields so the clear can't be dented with a fingernail months after it's made and whole sections of the PF art doesn't come off from the PF wood clean. Reward them with more work and moola, and punish the bad actors (aka Mirco) who don't know or don't care how to fix the issues.

That was a known 50 years ago. Never seen this on an old Gottlieb EM
The question and what seems to remain unknown at this point that would help me better understand is this.
Did the same person make all playfields with this issue or are they made by different people exhibiting the same issue?

If it is the same person on all that is the root of the problem and it comes down to product lines or process. That could be addressed and fixed.

If it is different people then it gets deeper.

If different do they all use the same products or at least one or two of the same products in the process?

If not do they all start assembling too soon these days?

This type of info could really help find solutions moving forward but there is almost no interaction with the people that have those answers only those with the problems and aftermath leaving us guessing and many buyers suffering.

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