Could you post some pics of your CE w no PF issues? In truth, I have not seen one...hence my cancellation of WonkaCE awhile back...

Zero issues w my AlienLE or WOZECLE pf's.....something has changed...

Agreed. Took me nearly 1 month to "dial in" my DILE (with some help from Pat Lawlor). Since this is a hobby for me (and I had some time), it wasn't that big a deal. The problem is, many folks aren't hobbyists and/or don't have the time to fiddle.

LOL @ the guys saying "give JJP a chance at fixing the issue".
Wake up, time for school. They arent going to do jack shit about it. If they arent taking care of the pirate owners they arent gong to help Wonka owners in fear of pirate owners retaliation. Amd JJPs idea of service is to charge $550 for a new playfield that is literally plagued with the same problems (PROVEN ON POTC thread). Best way to handle JJP is to STOP BUYING their games until he gives Mirco the boot. Hit em in the wallet. This is my public sworn statement of which I truly hope I'm wrong . But someone please feel free to quote me in the future... I want to be famous too.

Honestly, I had a little chip on my POTC but I was in the camp of eh, not a big deal. Now, on wonka, the same issue with clear bunching up. I really didn’t notice it until my brother in law pointed it out, because he has a Beatles pin with the same issue. Truthfully, If both JJP and stern (to whatever extent they use mircos PF) are having issues, then they need to address it quickly. Both companies are getting a substandard product from the supplier, and in turn are losing sales and people’s confidence in their products.

I read that people had messaged and called mirco with zero response, but manufacturers need to nip this in the bud ASAP. There’s zero excuse for us to pay as much as we do for these pins, only to have issues like this popping up. If I was JJP or stern, I would get with mirco and figure out what has changed, because this wasn’t a problem on any pin before the last year. They’ve obviously changed something in the playfield manufacturing process and some sort of explanation is definitely warranted.

The buck obviously stops at the manufacturers, but this is starting to be a relatively serious problem. Hopefully they start to hold mircos feet to the fire, because These issues weren’t present in the years before. Whatever it is, I hope they figure it out soon.

What’s playability got to do with it? I hate to be one of those people with the car analogies, but are you saying I shouldn’t be upset if my brand new C8 Corvette has peeling paint after a month or two, as long as I can still drive it to the grocery store?

Ding ding ding ding ! Winner winner chicken dinner !!!

Well, of course it matters as when you come to sell it and buyer sees this, they will knock $500 plus off the asking price.

Don't know what is going on but man, the clear seems so brittle.

and Spooky on TNA.

I can probably put up with anything in pinball except the playfield being faulty, especially when for 30 years play fields have been fine...

Neil.

Yeah, I've heard about it on TNA, but haven't seen it myself, so I left that one off.

Spooky addressed the issue, found the issue, and no longer a problem for them. I think it was an issue on the mid late run games only.
I know my 151 had no issues. Absolutely no playfield issues that I know of reported on ACNC. My Alice playfield has no clear issues or chipping. So I do not think Spooky should be brought up in this thread. Buy with confidence from them.

Now I bet others are chipping but haven’t realized yet.

maybe set up a website with pictures of all mirco's playfields so people know what quality they are.

maybe cpr should make them

Likewise here, no issues on my TNA or AMH.

And plenty of threads where they sent populated play fields out under warranty.

Same thing w ghosting inserts awhile back.

People buy the games from the manufacturer w a warranty, not a parts vendor. This is squarely on them to correct, not Micro, imho.

If another vendor has to be sourced for replacement parts, so be it.

Your not wrong.....your spot on....JJP isn't gonna do shit about any play field issues....I highly doubt JJP can afford any more production delays let alone a big financial hit they would take replacing all these play fields.

There has to be a cure for this.

I pulled my deposit for a CE wonka because of the potc chipping thread. I can't see dropping that kind of money on a pinball with poor support from the maker. This is a lot of money for a pinball and this is getting rediculous. I own a woz rr w/ rad cals and love it but am not sure I'd buy a nib from JJP ever again.

I pulled my wonka ce deposit over the same thing. I have a pirates ce.

I posted these in the other thread, but thought I would share them here...CE (12.5k)...
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Good grief...

batman posts in a manor that is over the top as well.

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How is your Pirates CE PF (hesitate to ask)?

If your getting chipping, keep an eye on your movable outlane post holes. They are getting torn up too.

I think any manufacturer would be susceptible to defects. It's how they handle it ( or not) determines ultimate credibility

I put neoprene washers under both my wonka and potc sling posts that I bought at Lowes and hand tightened the posts down. There wasn’t any damage before I did that, just for protective measure. So far so good. But man, it’s very disappointing to see some of these issues and I hope some response on the cause and a resolution will be coming. The silence just makes people madder.

Has anyone seen Panzerfreak? He is usually in all of the JJP threads but i don't think ive seen him in this one. Is he still on Pinside?

JJP is offering to sell customers who have defective playfields a new unpopulated one at the great price of just $550.00 dollars I believe it is. No guarantee that it wont chip either of course. Its a win win situation for JJP.

Agreed. When I was at ReplayFX this year I noticed that the JP Premium game had the same rippling clear issue around playfield posts.-especially around the slings. While this wasn't a production game it still appears to be something that plagues all manufacturers. I do think that Stern does a fantastic job in supporting their games and covering these kinds of issues which is why I wouldn't hesitate to order from them. I haven't bought a JJP game yet so I can't comment on their level of support.

Great post! Lmao. Only 13 in and already making a positive impression!

Were the posts in this game the ones with sharp edges that dig into the clear? That’s what the damage looks like. If so, shame on JJP for still using them (or was this only discovered recently?).

I was pretty deflated and pissed at Stern when their playfields were having so many issues and I am now at JJP. For the cost of these games, this is so lame. How did Stern fix their problem? Or did they?

They will go as far as it takes...Numerous posts of populated pf replacements, new cabs, etc. sent under warranty. Sometimes it took some pushing, but they have always done this...

Disappointed to hear they still have this issue after Pirates. I was looking forward to purchasing guns n roses but I'll wait until the playfield issues are solved.

Or you could also wait until GnR is even officially announced or in production.

I see what you did there.

look on page 1

I have the same rippling and chipping. I'll get some pics up soon. My wife's DSLR should do the trick.

Customers are the ones who should be "touchy". JJP is digging their own grave with responses like that.

I would advise them not too touchy it too much.

Yeah i know. I was just busting his balls.

more like "tighty"

Are you hinting that JJP machines are possibly not "The best-built, highest-quality pinball machines" ever?

Obviously not as long as they have trashy Mirco playfields in them. I'm really surprised JJP hasn't leaned on Mirco more heavily before this or just cut ties and worked something out with CGC or CPR. This is a serious threat to their business and it's gone on way too long.

For 12.5k the playfield should be the best in the business.

It is, because it has the most clear on it. That makes it better right?

No, it's the tears that give it that special shine.

I totally agree...the other problem is how they are dealing with these issues. Their basically radio silent (which pisses people off), and telling all existing customers with issues to pound salt....oh wait u can buy another flawed play field for $500....

As of this post, the $12.5K playfield doesn't even exist!

(too soon?)

5 months post game-release and not even a WHISPER of the CE details yet. Unreal.

The troublesome thing for me from the conversations I’ve had with the folks over at JJP regarding my POTC issues is they give the impression that they don’t give a shit and we are the problem for calling them out on this.

They will never see another penny from me, I don’t give a shit what license they get or what they build.

Nothing but a 10k f’ing turd!

Rant over.....I feel better now lol!

Odd response from your friends distro... The game is clearly defective. They can be touchy all they want so long as they rectify the situation which based on your post leads me to believe JJP may not do that...

I can say I'm not cancelling my Wonka CE deposit over this as I can only judge JJP by the experiences that I've had to date and my two JJP games are solid but it's pretty clear YMMV... hehe... Clear...

Jeff