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Wonka LE Sling Post Chipping in one month!!


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#1151 3 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

That wound be absurd. You guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill with this clear coat stuff. It's embarrassing.

I'm not a litigious person by nature. But, how much it too much? How long is too long (i.e Ghostbusters code)?

As it pertains to Stern and GB code. They have been dangling a carrot for a long time (3+ years). Will we actually see the code? I hope so. But, how long is too long? I am very close to having a lawyer friend write a letter as I believe the lack of finished code decreases the value of the game (loss of money).

As it pertains to the physical portions of a game, what do you think is acceptable? Are you OK with a few chunks of clear coat missing from your brand new game? If so, then I propose that you are an outlier. If you do mind and neither the distributor nor manufacturer resolve the issue for you, what do you do? Suck it up? Complain on <insert favorite pinball forum>? Stop buying NIB pins? Contact your consumer protection agency? Lawyer up?

I sure hope the people affected are taken care of by the "supplier" of the game.

#1152 3 months ago
Quoted from Extraballz:

What? Bad clear on a PF is a mole hill. I can’t think of anything worst for a pin. Care to give me some examples of what would be a worse issue than this? This is the mountain. Not knowing or admitting that is what I would consider embarrassing.

I don't equate some mounding clear at a few posts as being a RUINED playfield. So far as I can tell you guys are freaking out over extreme close-ups of minor manufacturing defects.

My Maiden has some mounding clear at some posts and still looks great after 5000+ plays.

Can anyone show me a ruined Wonka/Pirates/Maiden/JP playfield?

#1153 3 months ago
Quoted from Lamprey:

I'm not a litigious person by nature. But, how much it too much? How long is too long (i.e Ghostbusters code)?
As it pertains to Stern and GB code. They have been dangling a carrot for a long time (3+ years). Will we actually see the code? I hope so. But, how long is too long? I am very close to having a lawyer friend write a letter as I believe the lack of finished code decreases the value of the game (loss of money).
As it pertains to the physical portions of a game, what do you think is acceptable? Are you OK with a few chunks of clear coat missing from your brand new game? If so, then I propose that you are an outlier. If you do mind and neither the distributor nor manufacturer resolve the issue for you, what do you do? Suck it up? Complain on &lt;insert favorite pinball forum&gt;? Stop buying NIB pins? Contact your consumer protection agency? Lawyer up?
I sure hope the people affected are taken care of by the "supplier" of the game.

Now with the code? Is your Ghostbusters unplayable? Do you possess an unplayable box of lights to show the judge? Or a trashed playfield where you don't need to zoom in 10x to point out the flaw?

#1154 3 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

I don't equate some mounding clear at a few posts as being a RUINED playfield. So far as I can tell you guys are freaking out over extreme close-ups of minor manufacturing defects.
My Maiden has some mounding clear at some posts and still looks great after 5000+ plays.
Can anyone show me a ruined Wonka/Pirates/Maiden/JP playfield?

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/potc-who-has-playfield-dimples-cracking-wear-around-star-posts-?gallery#g

Here you go. People aren't really saying it's ruined, they're saying it's not normal, affects the value of the pin, and could get worse

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#1155 3 months ago
Quoted from PinballTilt:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/potc-who-has-playfield-dimples-cracking-wear-around-star-posts-?gallery#g
Here you go. People aren't really saying it's ruined, they're saying it's not normal, affects the value of the pin, and could get worse

Good luck convincing anyone other than an anal pinsider that this is a big deal.

Anal Pinsider says "Stand close, lean in and look right here. Can you see it? It's right there. Isn't that horrible? Think I should sue?"

Normal guy says "Umm. Yeah. Maybe you should get some help. Can I play now?"

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#1156 3 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Good luck convincing anyone other than an anal pinsider that this is a big deal.
Anal Pinsider says "Stand close, lean in and look right here. Can you see it? It's right there. Isn't that horrible? Think I should sue?"
Normal guy says "Umm. Yeah. Maybe you should get some help. Can I play now?"

It’s such a small deal that Stern has taken the large expense of sending out populated PFs for the same issue of pooling then chipping. Now why in the world would they do something like that for what you claim is a tiny issue. Answer: they absolutely wouldn’t send populated PFs out unless they knew it was bad and wouldn’t be good for them in the public eye.

#1157 3 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Good luck convincing anyone other than an anal pinsider that this is a big deal.
Anal Pinsider says "Stand close, lean in and look right here. Can you see it? It's right there. Isn't that horrible? Think I should sue?"
Normal guy says "Umm. Yeah. Maybe you should get some help. Can I play now?"

Nah man, this is a potentially serious issue. CC problems brand new will have a good chance of larger problems later.
Not to mention resale values will plummet. Look at the JJP light board issues on 1st gen WOZ. Even a noob would figure out after repeated failures issue is systemic.

I do hope you’re right and this is a non issue long term, but Christ on a cracker man...

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#1158 3 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Good luck convincing anyone other than an anal pinsider that this is a big deal.
Anal Pinsider says "Stand close, lean in and look right here. Can you see it? It's right there. Isn't that horrible? Think I should sue?"
Normal guy says "Umm. Yeah. Maybe you should get some help. Can I play now?"

Normal guy didn’t drop 8K-12K on the machine.

#1159 3 months ago
Quoted from underlord:

Nah man, this is a potentially serious issue. CC problems brand new will have a good chance of larger problems later.
Not to mention resale values will plummet. Look at the JJP light board issues on 1st gen WOZ. Even a noob would figure out after repeated failures issue is systemic.
I do hope you’re right and this is a non issue long term, but Christ on a cracker man...

I get some of you are worried a tiny chip at the post, or a little chipped clear, means your HUO playields are going to fall apart. They won't. We route nearly every new Stern and all of them still look great, including my Iron Maiden with some mounding clear at some posts. This is not something that proliferates like the plague.

#1160 3 months ago

Stern and JJP need a scratch and dent sale. Reduced price on machines with flawed CC. Buy them back and resell them. I bet people would buy them for routes, and others would but them form the imamaculate factor.

Seriously. I don’t see appliance manufacturers trying to sell machines with paint chips missing as “new”. Why is pinball any different? A NIB machine should be perfect until it wears from play. Anything less is bs.

#1161 3 months ago
Quoted from PtownPin:

could of been a classic if Stern had a programmer that was dedicated to fine tuning the code....instead he's lazy and could give two shits

False. He was working on Star Wars, then Munsters, then GOT, now back to GB for a massive update. Every interview he has ever given shows how passionate he is.

I am not sure people realize how long it takes to code games in general...

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#1162 3 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

I don't equate some mounding clear at a few posts as being a RUINED playfield. So far as I can tell you guys are freaking out over extreme close-ups of minor manufacturing defects.
My Maiden has some mounding clear at some posts and still looks great after 5000+ plays.
Can anyone show me a ruined Wonka/Pirates/Maiden/JP playfield?

My Maiden literally has its clear and paint coming off the Playfield within 3 weeks of ownership. Bare wood is already showing. This happened with less than 600 plays on it. At this rate it will look like garbage in a year. You don’t need to do an extreme close up to see this as I have a big chip on the bottom of left starpost. Do you seriously think someone should accept this after plunking down close to 6 grand? How my distributor/stern handles this will determine if I will ever consider buying a nib again.

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#1163 3 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

I don't equate some mounding clear at a few posts as being a RUINED playfield. So far as I can tell you guys are freaking out over extreme close-ups of minor manufacturing defects.
My Maiden has some mounding clear at some posts and still looks great after 5000+ plays.
Can anyone show me a ruined Wonka/Pirates/Maiden/JP playfield?

Just because the tables aren't completely ruined currently doesn't mean this isn't a big deal... If it was minor and inconsequential like you claim, Stern would not be sending out populated replacement playfields. You seem to be ignoring that fact.

And before you try and shift the goalposts to not believing that fact, I personally know two people getting replacements, one for Beatles, one for JP2, and I have an open case myself. There are plenty of Pinsiders reporting the same thing.

You do you though.

#1164 3 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

It's on the recent Mircos direct PFs, too. Someone showed pics of one with the same issue in another thread.

Have that link handy? I am curious to check it out (I bought a WH20 PF from Mirco last month, looks fantastic but curious to check out any issues others may be having)

#1165 3 months ago
Quoted from arcadenerd925:

Have that link handy? I am curious to check it out (I bought a WH20 PF from Mirco last month, looks fantastic but curious to check out any issues others may be having)

Unfortunately, I don't remember which playfield it was (it was in a thread dedicated to that machine, I think), except that it was a "classic" re-run. Someone posted pics of it within the last couple weeks.

#1166 3 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

Unfortunately, I don't remember which playfield it was (it was in a thread dedicated to that machine, I think), except that it was a "classic" re-run. Someone posted pics of it within the last couple weeks.

No worries. I am reading the one from Harry Houdini now. I hope you guys are made hole in one way shape or form on this PF issue. I backed out of my wonka pre-order earlier for other reasons, but i did wonder if the clear issues would continue past POTC.

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#1167 3 months ago
Quoted from tpir:

Just because the tables aren't completely ruined currently doesn't mean this isn't a big deal... If it was minor and inconsequential like you claim, Stern would not be sending out populated replacement playfields. You seem to be ignoring that fact.

Oh my goodness. They are only doing that because you guys made it out to be a big deal. Not unlike how a toddler freaks out over a popped balloon, or a dropped ice cream cone, and then the parent buys them another one. Stern is simply soothing you guys.

#1168 3 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Oh my goodness. They are only doing that because you guys made it out to be a big deal. Not unlike how a toddler freaks out over a popped balloon, or a dropped ice cream cone, and then the parent buys them another one. Stern is simply soothing you guys.

Do you sell new arcade games?

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#1169 3 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Oh my goodness. They are only doing that because you guys made it out to be a big deal. Not unlike how a toddler freaks out over a popped balloon, or a dropped ice cream cone, and then the parent buys them another one. Stern is simply soothing you guys.

I think you are being needlessly condescending here.

Rob

#1170 3 months ago
Quoted from arcadenerd925:

No worries. I am reading the one from Harry Houdini now. I hope you guys are made hole in one way shape or form on this PF issue. I backed out of my wonka pre-order earlier for other reasons, but i did wonder if the clear issues would continue past POTC.

I'm not super-worried. I've mylared under the posts with rippling and they haven't gotten any worse in 5 weeks or so, and I also mylared at the forks where it chipped. It sucks, but it will get worked out over time, just like the WoZ 1.x light boards.

Meanwhile, jjPotC earnings are destroying the other pins on the route I help with - STILL 50-100% more than the next-closest-earning pin each collection a full FIVE MONTHS after it showed up. That's unheard of in my experience, and the game deserves the praise - it's brilliant.

All that said, I told Jack personally he better get this playfield issue definitively fixed once and for all by the time Guns N Roses shows up because if Eric did THIS brilliant work with jjPotC, I can't IMAGINE what he'll do with GnR. It will be a must-have, and I don't want the uncertainty of PF issues dragging it down. Don't really care about Wonka because it was a disappointment. So little imagination in the design of a game based on a movie about imagination. Just fix the PF issues by jjGnR time.

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#1171 3 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Oh my goodness. They are only doing that because you guys made it out to be a big deal. Not unlike how a toddler freaks out over a popped balloon, or a dropped ice cream cone, and then the parent buys them another one. Stern is simply soothing you guys.

Yeah the cost of a pinball machine is the same as a balloon or ice cream cone. Artwork that is coming away from the playfield is a big deal to many of us. If us guys stop buying these pinball machines it is a big deal to the manufacturers as well. If you don't think so, drain the thread. We won't miss you.

And buy yourself a balloon. Happy days.

#1172 3 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Oh my goodness. They are only doing that because you guys made it out to be a big deal. Not unlike how a toddler freaks out over a popped balloon, or a dropped ice cream cone, and then the parent buys them another one. Stern is simply soothing you guys.

Clearly your completely oblivious to the point....its fine that you have low expectations, but many of us do not. Especially after forking out almost $10K on a NIB game that is clearly flawed.

#1173 3 months ago

LOL at that response from NCR... Was so easy to get him to self-own that it was kind of boring

#1174 3 months ago

Just ignore norcalrealtor guys. Operators and comp/location players have always been unable to see the collector point of view when it comes to QC issues on these NIB games.

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#1175 3 months ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

Do you sell new arcade games?

Just Pong. It's awesome. No need to pander.

Quoted from Rob_G:

I think you are being needlessly condescending here.
Rob

Maybe. The straw man reply annoyed me, as did the lawyer. And I'm fed up with the cynical manipulation and pitch fork parties over every little QC defect. It is literally consuming a lot of NIB buyers and preventing them from enjoying the hobby.

#1176 3 months ago
Quoted from cooked71:

Just ignore norcalrealtor guys. Operators and comp/location players have always been unable to see the collector point of view when it comes to QC issues on these NIB games.

You said it right cooked71 This guy doesn’t get a collector’s POV and should be ignored.

It is unfortunate that such a good game as POTC is plagued with PF issues to the point that us collectors don’t want to buy it. If that were not the case, I’d have one.

#1177 3 months ago

Nor cal you set your bar as low as you want. Some of us have standards and morals, it's a free country like that. If it's not a big deal then offer to buy all the fucked up games of recent and try your hand with them in the second hand market.

#1178 3 months ago
Quoted from clg:

FYI Ballypinball is a JJP distributor

You’re kidding me???? This guy that keeps spouting his mouth off like he is the spokesperson for JJP worldwide is only a distributor? Doesn’t that make all his objectivity quite suspect?

If so, why would anyone in your country buy from him? It seems he has little to no empathy for any customers and is a JJP sycophant from the word go. Why buy from a distributor that does not have your back, which appears obvious by all his comments?????

While one of our distributors posting in this forum here in the US, understands why us collectors are so concerned about this issue. Hemispheres Amusements said in this thread: “I will say that don't think for a second a good distributor doesn't raise holy hell with the manufacturers on major issues like this. We absolutely do.”

Now that is the type of distributor I give my business to.

#1179 3 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Just Pong. It's awesome. No need to pander.

Maybe. The straw man reply annoyed me, as did the lawyer. And I'm fed up with the cynical manipulation and pitch fork parties over every little QC defect. It is literally consuming a lot of NIB buyers and preventing them from enjoying the hobby.

your an operator ... u buy games in the hope they bring you money.....once their beat or stop earning you sell them off and move onto the next title with most likely a little $ in your pocket. We buy games to keep in our homes and expect a quality product, along with reasonable customer service....its not our fault these manufacturers tailored their sales and marketing pitch to home owners (and raised the prices significantly). I'm not understanding why u think we shouldn't give a shit? The manufacturers came up with the business model and many of us have bought into it....it has nothing to do with not enjoying pinball...if we didn't enjoy we wouldn't be in the hobby. If I'm gonna fork out $10K for a game then it better perform, and not start falling apart in the first 30 days.

#1180 3 months ago

If the clear coat is moving at this point, it will continue to move. Then it's only a matter of time until the art is affected. Let's remember these games are not built to be played twice a year in some dudes basement. These are supposed to be made for high volume use, as in people make there livings from these things. Back in the day the games were made to last a few years tops, that's no longer the case.

#1181 3 months ago
Quoted from TwoHeartedMale:

Nor cal you set your bar as low as you want. Some of us have standards and morals

Morals? For playfield issues?

Standards, I get, but MORALS?

#1182 3 months ago
Quoted from PtownPin:

your an operator ... u buy games in the hope they bring you money.....once their beat or stop earning you sell them off and move onto the next title with most likely a little $ in your pocket. We buy games to keep in our homes and expect a quality product, along with reasonable customer service....its not our fault these manufacturers tailored their sales and marketing pitch to home owners (and raised the prices significantly). I'm not understanding why u think we shouldn't give a shit? The manufacturers came up with the business model and many of us have bought into it....it has nothing to do with not enjoying pinball...if we didn't enjoy we wouldn't be in the hobby. If I'm gonna fork out $10K for a game then it better perform, and not start falling apart in the first 30 days.

Cant resist a good carguement ....

The operator is like the car rental owner...….couldn't give a sh*t about the appearance - as long as it goes and earns.
The location player is like the car rental customer...…..couldn't give a sh*t about the appearance - as long as it goes.
The comp guy is the race car driver......couldn't give a sh*t about the appearance - as long as it performs.

The collector cares about all of it.....appearance, reliability, collectability, playability, replayability, re-saleability, performance etc etc

They've all got their different perspective and from their point of view they are right. But you don't see the car rental owner on collector car forums telling them to get over the chipping paint on the new Corvette release because its not important. (Or maybe you do - actually this is the internet - more than likely you do).

#1183 3 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Just Pong. It's awesome. No need to pander.

Maybe. The straw man reply annoyed me, as did the lawyer. And I'm fed up with the cynical manipulation and pitch fork parties over every little QC defect. It is literally consuming a lot of NIB buyers and preventing them from enjoying the hobby.

The games are too much damn money for these kind of bullshit quality issues.
Stern and JJP want to charge big boy prices which means they need to step it up. Gary/Jack/Investors are no longer selling a $3,300 Monopoly.

#1184 3 months ago
Quoted from clg:

FYI Ballypinball is a JJP distributor and he buys container loads of JJP games.

FYI Paul at pinballsales is the sole exclusive JJP distributor for Australia as per their website -

https://pinballsales.com.au/

The distributor sets the local MSRP and handles post sales service/support and any agents would be subject to the restrictions found in a typical distributor>agent agreement.

Quoted from jimwe5t:

You’re kidding me???? This guy that keeps spouting his mouth off like he is the spokesperson for JJP worldwide is only a distributor? Doesn’t that make all his objectivity quite suspect?
If so, why would anyone in your country buy from him? It seems he has little to no empathy for any customers and is a JJP sycophant from the word go. Why buy from a distributor that does not have your back, which appears obvious by all his comments?????

As above.

#1185 3 months ago
Quoted from cooked71:

Just ignore norcalrealtor guys. Operators and comp/location players have always been unable to see the collector point of view when it comes to QC issues on these NIB games.

Perhaps for some operators, but overall I think that's a misconception. Most pinball operators are pinball collectors, started as pinball collectors, and are among the most prudent NIB buyers. They see firsthand what happens on new pins after 1k/5k/10k+ plays while everyone else worries about what may happen after 100/300/500 plays. So, who better to ask for real-world opinions on QC? Carry on thinking Operators and techs don't get it, but their opinions carry way more weight to me.

#1186 3 months ago
Quoted from cooked71:

The collector cares about all of it.....appearance, reliability, collectability, playability, replayability, re-saleability, performance etc etc

Not quite all of it when it comes to pinball.

The most important thing a pinball machine is designed to do as a coin operated commercial machine is to take quarters or dollar bills and I'm not sure many pinball collectors have explored, used, or even care about that aspect on the machines they own.

#1187 3 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

Not quite all of it when it comes to pinball.
The most important thing a pinball machine is designed to do as a coin operated commercial machine is to take quarters or dollar bills and I'm not sure many pinball collectors have explored, used, or even care about that aspect on the machines they own.

very true....I could give a rats ass how much a game may or may not earn....their all free at my house....

#1188 3 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Perhaps for some operators, but overall I think that's a misconception. Most pinball operators are pinball collectors, started as pinball collectors, and are among the most prudent NIB buyers. They see firsthand what happens on new pins after 1k/5k/10k+ plays while everyone else worries about what may happen after 100/300/500 plays. So, who better to ask for real-world opinions on QC? Carry on thinking Operators and techs don't get it, but their opinions carry way more weight to me.

No I get it NCR, just saying everyone's got different priorities. What's an issue for one group isn't necessarily for the other.

Quoted from o-din:

Not quite all of it when it comes to pinball.
The most important thing a pinball machine is designed to do as a coin operated commercial machine is to take quarters or dollar bills and I'm not sure many pinball collectors have explored, used, or even care about that aspect on the machines they own.

Used to be, but not nearly as much any more.

#1189 3 months ago

It's a fine line when you start thinking of new commercial or industrial machines as collectors items, that's for sure.

#1190 3 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

Morals? For playfield issues?
Standards, I get, but MORALS?

Thank you.

Quoted from TwoHeartedMale:

If it's not a big deal then offer to buy all the fucked up games of recent and try your hand with them in the second hand market.

Selling used pins is no problem. The majority of buyers are not so unrealistic as to expect used pins to be absolutely flawless. They're used. Minor blemish here or there should be expected. Hence the word "used". That's why they're cheaper. Anyone local has one I'm looking for I'll buy it. No problem.

#1191 3 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Thank you.

Selling used pins is no problem. The majority of buyers are not so unrealistic as to expect used pins to be absolutely flawless. They're used. Minor blemish here or there should be expected. Hence the word "used". That's why they're cheaper. If you're local and have one I'm looking for I'll buy it. No problem.

I've purchased and sold a lot of games over the years, and I would agree that most buyers don't expect a game to be flawless; however they certainly don't expect a play field thats chipped or showing signs of failure (especially on a new title). There is no doubt that game would be heavily discounted by the seller. From an operators perspective you probably don't care as its sitting in some bar hopefully collecting dollar bills, and once it stops earning u sell the game and move on. We look at pinball through entirely different lenses.

#1192 3 months ago

I got a brand new batman 66 late last year and noticed multiple pooling / bubbles that flexed with 6 games played until I noticed. Around most of the posts and where the apron came to the playfield.

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#1193 3 months ago
Quoted from swinks:

I got a brand new batman 66 late last year and noticed multiple pooling / bubbles that flexed with 6 games played until I noticed. Around most of the posts and where the apron came to the playfield.[quoted image][quoted image]

What did Stern or your distro do?

#1194 3 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

Morals? For playfield issues?
Standards, I get, but MORALS?

(copy and pasted from online dictionary)
MORALS
2.
a person's standards of behavior or beliefs concerning what is and is not acceptable for them to do.
"the corruption of public morals"
synonyms: moral code, code of ethics, moral standards, moral values, principles, principles of right and wrong, rules of conduct, standards/principles of behavior, standards, morality, sense of morality, scruples, ideals
"he has no morals and cannot be trusted"

so if i sold a product for 10k my MORALS would insure that my product was up to snuff and or own up to a defective product. Good Morals would also stop someone from trying to guilt someone els into accepting a piece of shit. These people spent there money(not yours) and are upset with major flaws on there game (not yours). wheres this ground you few seem to stand on?

Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Thank you

Selling used pins is no problem. The majority of buyers are not so unrealistic as to expect used pins to be absolutely flawless. They're used. Minor blemish here or there should be expected. Hence the word "used". That's why they're cheaper. Anyone local has one I'm looking for I'll buy it. No problem.

so put your money where your mouth is!?!?!? till then "NUFF SAID"

it might not seem like a problem but clear coat is supposed to be hard, its the whole point. if the clear is moving its not hard, if its moving in one spot that means all the clear coat is soft. its made as a formula one spot can't be soft and the rest not. there is really no telling how bad this can get over time. so in 3 years when you suckers go to sell your HUOs and can't cus its totally fucked then we can pick this conversation up again.

and how can you honestly defend the (documented) clear coats from JJP that can gouged with a human finger nail? in what world would you put a silver ball on that? or morally stand by that?

#1195 3 months ago
Quoted from pinballaddicted:

What did Stern or your distro do?

Stern never responded, distro just said if you are not happy bring it back for a full refund though weren't happy when I did

#1196 3 months ago
Quoted from TwoHeartedMale:

(copy and pasted from online dictionary)
MORALS
2.
a person's standards of behavior or beliefs concerning what is and is not acceptable for them to do.
"the corruption of public morals"
synonyms: moral code, code of ethics, moral standards, moral values, principles, principles of right and wrong, rules of conduct, standards/principles of behavior, standards, morality, sense of morality, scruples, ideals
"he has no morals and cannot be trusted"
so if i sold a product for 10k my MORALS would insure that my product was up to snuff and or own up to a defective product. Good Morals would also stop someone from trying to guilt someone els into accepting a piece of shit. These people spent there money(not yours) and are upset with major flaws on there game (not yours). wheres this ground you few seem to stand on?

The confusion comes because you are in the consumer shoes not the seller while your sentence seemed to assign the need for consumption morals, which was weird.

If you had broken up the sentence or reworded it to make it clear that the "standards" were yours and the "morals" were what you expect of a seller. i.e. "Nor cal you set your bar as low as you want. Some of us have standards and expect better morals of manufacturers" or something like that it would have been much more clear and would have saved a lot of typing.

#1197 3 months ago
Quoted from pinsanity:

FYI Paul at pinballsales is the sole exclusive JJP distributor for Australia as per their website -
https://pinballsales.com.au/
The distributor sets the local MSRP and handles post sales service/support and any agents would be subject to the restrictions found in a typical distributor&gt;agent agreement.

As above.

There used to only be one JJP distributor in AU and NZ, Mr Pinball. Now there is also pinballsales so there are two.

Quoted from jimwe5t:

You’re kidding me???? This guy that keeps spouting his mouth off like he is the spokesperson for JJP worldwide is only a distributor? Doesn’t that make all his objectivity quite suspect?
If so, why would anyone in your country buy from him? It seems he has little to no empathy for any customers and is a JJP sycophant from the word go. Why buy from a distributor that does not have your back, which appears obvious by all his comments?????
While one of our distributors posting in this forum here in the US, understands why us collectors are so concerned about this issue. Hemispheres Amusements said in this thread: “I will say that don't think for a second a good distributor doesn't raise holy hell with the manufacturers on major issues like this. We absolutely do.”
Now that is the type of distributor I give my business to.

Have any US distributors actually done anything for anyone other than say they are really sorry about it will give JJP holy hell? I just see it all as virtue signaling. Just don't buy these things lots of cool old games out there.

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#1198 3 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

The confusion comes because you are in the consumer shoes not the seller while your sentence seemed to assign the need for consumption morals, which was weird.
If you had broken up the sentence or reworded it to make it clear that the "standards" were yours and the "morals" were what you expect of a seller. i.e. "Nor cal you set your bar as low as you want. Some of us have standards and expect better morals of manufacturers" or something like that it would have been much more clear and would have saved a lot of typing.

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#1199 3 months ago

No backpedaling. Point is the same. Weird to say you have "morals" in evaluating playfield problems as a buyer. Standards yes. Morals? No. BUT if you initially wrote what you said you meant in your followup, with you as a buyer having standards, and a seller having morals, it makes sense. But that's not what you originally wrote. Simple as that.

#1200 3 months ago
Quoted from swinks:

Stern never responded, distro just said if you are not happy bring it back for a full refund though weren't happy when I did

Wow! Getting a full refund is pretty good dude. Shame as game rocks!

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