Quoted from RichieWrench:

Okay - But did I sound Calm?

Quoted from BillySastard:

Anytime someone writes in all caps it doesn't read as calm AT ALL.

Quoted from BillySastard:

Anytime someone writes in all caps it doesn't read as calm AT ALL.

Quoted from PinMonk:

Isn't it just a <$100 new motherboard/CPU combo?

Quoted from PinBuck:

I don't want ti hijack this thread, but to answer your question, you can get a used one on ebay for < $100 and hope it works and wasn't abused. A new one is > $100. Not to mention the fact that most pinball owners don't have any idea how to swap out a processor (I do, fortunately).

Quoted from RichieWrench:

I posted on my page that I started for the Collector Editions for Willy Wonka first
I AM OUT ON MY WILLY WONKA CE #12
For those of you that are wanting the #12 - I guess it will be available. I am taking a stance on this issue with the chipping playfields that or showing up on the POTC and now Willy Wonka (there might even be other as well). I have not had a chance to see the CE playfield and it might be amazing and all - But even if it is -- I am still out on my preorder.
I know we all have had fun with me being the #12 on the CE models and powder coating on the coin doors and me picking on Joe @ 3 AM and all. I am taking a stand on this issue on the chipping playfields. I understand that this has not happen to me and my games are fine and in good shape - But I have a serious problem with how this is all being handled.
So - Let me first say that I love Joe @ Pinstar and I would never do anything that would hurt him - He is a riot and puts up with my shit. He is my friend.
We got these chipping issues showing up on some of the Willy Wonka playfields and I am concern about how it is being handled by JJP with NO clear solution that is making the customer happy. I think a fair solution is a populated playfield. But that is not happening - Just giving out some washers does not fix the problem. Really the problem needs to be fixed back to the source and get this done before it blows up out of control. But, till it does - Any customer that is having a issue with chipping playfield needs to be taken care of and it needs to be done the right way.
We spend 12,500 for these games - A chipping playfied would make me PIST - I would take off work and drive that game down to the JJP factory and drop it off myself if that happened to me. But this is not about those that are paying more for a CE model. For me, I am lucky that I can do this - But I work extra long hours on weekends and nights to help pay for my hobby and boxing art collection. So, I am not different than those of you out there working from paycheck to paycheck. I work very long hours and put alot of time and passion in my plumbing company. So this is the same with Pinball - I have alot of passion for pinball and to see those around me not getting a fair solution and still upset about what is going on and having to just settle with what is going on with their game, or having to pay out $550.00 for a playfield that they should not even have to pay one penny for in my opinion.
Sorry - I can not do this and stand by and not take a stand - So Again,
I am out - WWCF Collectors Edition #12
JJP needs to do the right thing - I am not picking on any certain person @ JJP. But I am saying that JJP as a whole and as a company needs to do the right thing and till they do - I AM OUT. I am out on all games unless I work something out with Joe. I will still do business with Joe and I am hoping that this will be taken care of and if it does and I do not get #12 because I let it go - So be it. I will maybe get another number - Trust me @ 500 CE Models and with all this shit going on right now - They will be available. Heck, #1 might be available if this does not get taken care of soon.
I am not asking for a boycott - I am not trying to hurt anyone. I am just taking a stance and for me and I hope others will do the same to hopefully show JJP that we are all willing to give something up to do what it right.
JJP is a great company - But here as of late, they are not acting like one. They are making a big mistake. I am just one person, But I am my own person and I remember JJP from the early days and all I got to say is that if they will not take care of those having issues now - Who is to say that they will take care of me later. I dont care if a game cost $5,000 or $16,000.00 - The company that makes those games need to take care of the customers.
I hope this gets better soon, but till then - I AM OUT on WWCF CE #12 - I have sent my notice to Joe, but I am not asking for refund - I bought Mafia from Joe a couple months ago and might get something else and if not, I am hoping that this gets resolved and i will used it then towards a game.
Thanks to all and we do need to stand together.

Quoted from jeffro01:

And I thought I over-reacted over things... By all means, make a Mt Everest out of ant hill if you must but it's pretty comical and hysterical to see someone freak out over something that hasn't affected them. Yes yes everyone, flame me if you must but I can only go on what has actually affected me and I have absolutely zero reason to even question JJP or think that my WONKA CE will be anything less than absolute perfection. Now if the CE turns out to be an LE with a different color and some glitter than I'm out anyways simply over the absurd delay we've been experiencing...
I'm not saying any of this is okay or acceptable, I've been very clear on that. But, it hasn't happened to me so to me it's inappropriate and ridiculous to speculate on what would happen or what has happened to others based on what they chose to share in an online forum... Grab your pitch forks if you must, if it makes you feel better or whatever, but not me...
Jeff

Quoted from jeffro01:

And I thought I over-reacted over things... By all means, make a Mt Everest out of ant hill if you must but it's pretty comical and hysterical to see someone freak out over something that hasn't affected them. Yes yes everyone, flame me if you want but I can only go on what has actually affected me and I have absolutely zero reason to even question JJP or think that my WONKA CE will be anything less than absolute perfection. Now if the CE turns out to be an LE with a different color and some glitter than I'm out anyways simply over the absurd delay we've been experiencing...
I'm not saying any of this is okay or acceptable, I've been very clear on that. But, it hasn't happened to me so to me it's inappropriate and ridiculous to speculate on what would happen or what has happened to others based on what they chose to share in an online forum... Grab your pitch forks if you require, if it makes you feel better or whatever, but not me...
Jeff

Quoted from PinMonk:

What motherboard model/CPU combo is the one they're using now?

Quoted from PinBuck:

MB: MSI H81M-P33
CPU: LGA 1150 socket, people are using 4th gen Pentium processors as replacements

Quoted from Cgpinhead:

I would also like to add that my Beatles has the wrinkling, my black knight Le has the wrinkling, my iron maiden has the wrinkling....YET my POTC CE is Mint. In my collection it is only Stern machines that have the problem!

Quoted from jeffro01:

And I thought I over-reacted over things... By all means, make a Mt Everest out of ant hill if you must but it's pretty comical and hysterical to see someone freak out over something that hasn't affected them. Yes yes everyone, flame me if you want but I can only go on what has actually affected me and I have absolutely zero reason to even question JJP or think that my WONKA CE will be anything less than absolute perfection. Now if the CE turns out to be an LE with a different color and some glitter than I'm out anyways simply over the absurd delay we've been experiencing...
I'm not saying any of this is okay or acceptable, I've been very clear on that. But, it hasn't happened to me so to me it's inappropriate and ridiculous to speculate on what would happen or what has happened to others based on what they chose to share in an online forum... Grab your pitch forks if you require, if it makes you feel better or whatever, but not me...
Jeff

Quoted from Cgpinhead:

My biggest concern of all is not the manufacturers, it is the distributors. I love my distributor to the moon and back! I want this solved for the sake of them and there incredible support of pinball.

Quoted from jeffro01:

And I thought I over-reacted over things... By all means, make a Mt Everest out of ant hill if you must but it's pretty comical and hysterical to see someone freak out over something that hasn't affected them. Yes yes everyone, flame me if you want but I can only go on what has actually affected me and I have absolutely zero reason to even question JJP or think that my WONKA CE will be anything less than absolute perfection. Now if the CE turns out to be an LE with a different color and some glitter than I'm out anyways simply over the absurd delay we've been experiencing...
I'm not saying any of this is okay or acceptable, I've been very clear on that. But, it hasn't happened to me so to me it's inappropriate and ridiculous to speculate on what would happen or what has happened to others based on what they chose to share in an online forum... Grab your pitch forks if you require, if it makes you feel better or whatever, but not me...
Jeff

Quoted from jeffro01:

And I thought I over-reacted over things... By all means, make a Mt Everest out of ant hill if you must but it's pretty comical and hysterical to see someone freak out over something that hasn't affected them. Yes yes everyone, flame me if you want but I can only go on what has actually affected me and I have absolutely zero reason to even question JJP or think that my WONKA CE will be anything less than absolute perfection. Now if the CE turns out to be an LE with a different color and some glitter than I'm out anyways simply over the absurd delay we've been experiencing...
I'm not saying any of this is okay or acceptable, I've been very clear on that. But, it hasn't happened to me so to me it's inappropriate and ridiculous to speculate on what would happen or what has happened to others based on what they chose to share in an online forum... Grab your pitch forks if you require, if it makes you feel better or whatever, but not me...
Jeff

Quoted from jeffro01:

but it's pretty comical and hysterical to see someone freak out over something that hasn't affected them. Yes yes everyone, flame me if you want but I can only go on what has actually affected me and I have absolutely zero reason to even question JJP or think that my WONKA CE will be anything less than absolute perfection.

Quoted from Cgpinhead:

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Quoted from MK6PIN:

Pics of the sling posts around your POTC CE please......

Quoted from MK6PIN:

Pics of the sling posts around your POTC CE please......

Quoted from RichieWrench:

Jeff you are so wrong - and trust me I have thought real hard on this - I am one of JJP biggest fans and I have been there from the start when NO ONE even knew my name and I would bitch and moan and cry over little things like powder coatings and the quality control issues and I even remember when I bought both Hobbit and Smaug at the same time and both of those games came to me with some really bad quality issues. I work around JJP so that we both meet in the middle and both parties could live with the results.
My games as well are having NO ISSUES and from what I see are perfect with no issues on the playfield. But, What if something was to go wrong with Willy Wonka CE #12 - Should I live it and settle. R U saying that you would not make any issues if your CE came to you and started to chip away 1 to 3 months later. Are you okay with that? - If so - Hey, More power to you.
Also think about it - If your game did do that - Then you will have to fight it out with your distributor on getting it settle and not JJP because JJP is not taking the proper steps to make this right. Just because it has not happen to you, does not mean that it will not happen to you. This is not just one or two people complaining -- Trust me, It took a few days of research to get me to make my choice to opt out on my CE #12.
My stand is with those that have had issues on their games and with a company that knows better and can make it right to those affected. It really is a simple solution.
1. Research the problem and solve it now before it gets even bigger
2. Those that have been affected - Take care of them - I think that those that have been having issues should get a populated playfield and one where the solutions has been addressed to those new playfields. But maybe there is another solutions, but not a washer and to simply ignore some of these customers and not get back to them on what they are going to do or not do - IS JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE.....Opps -- Sorry, I am suppose to remain calm.
So - I appreciate your comments because it gave me time away from me doing my plumbing office work, So I do appreciate that -- Because I really needed a break away from invoicing.
But for me -- I am taking a stand and I don't care if I get a Wonka CE, If those around me having issues and I will not support a company that does not support its customers and as of now that is what is going on - But, I am hopeful and I think JJP will step up to the plate and make it right.
But till then.....
RICHIE WRENCH IS OUT - THAT IS ALOT TO SAY FOR ME TO BE OUT ON A JJP GAME.

Quoted from MK6PIN:

love to see under those huge washers, or after the game has had a few hundred plays on it

Quoted from captjoeb:

If you were Spooky, would you tell?

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

There are a good number of Pirates that never had this issue

Quoted from MK6PIN:

There are many, many, many that do have the issues, as talked about endlessly in the threads that are not being replaced but sent washers to temporarily hide the mess.
There was no bigger JJP fan than me, and after massive support from Eric and effort on my part, my ECLE is electronically stable. It still has a beautiful playfield, and will keep it until my entire lineup is sold at some point down the road.
It is, however, the last JJP I will ever buy. Had so wanted a Pirates and Wonka.. Out of this thread, and admire those that are speaking out with their wallets.................

Quoted from Cgpinhead:

My POTC CE has a ton of plays....no problems at all. Please remember that the vast majority of owners have not had problems. The ones that do, post about it. I own every JJP game and can attest to the fact that they all have perfect playfields and no issues whatsoever. I also believe that most people (other than the ones sending photos on here) have had no problems either. I just think that the manufacturers need to speak up about this problem as gambling thousands of dollars is not a fun thing to do.

Quoted from jimwe5t:

From all the posts here on pinside about POTC PF issues, I don’t believe your assertion for one second that vast majority have not had problems. Don’t know one owner, except you (I too would like to see under your PF washers) that hasn’t had issues.
(Is this one of the new JJP owners under the name of CGPinhead writing this baloney???)

Quoted from Cgpinhead:

I don’t need to address your conspiracy theories, but let’s say JJP sold 1000 machines. Let’s also say that 50 have this issue...that is a .05% deficiency rate. In manufacturing that’s not a terrible number.
The reason I am suggesting a count is that facts and numbers give much more accurate information.

Quoted from Cgpinhead:

I don’t need to address your conspiracy theories, but let’s say JJP sold 1000 machines. Let’s also say that 50 have this issue...that is a .05% deficiency rate. In manufacturing that’s not a terrible number.
The reason I am suggesting a count is that facts and numbers give much more accurate information.

Quoted from jimwe5t:

Trying to blow off my comments by calling them conspiracy??? Pretty low my friend, pretty low.
Unless you can count all the affected people that are not on pinside what does it matter? If just one automobile has a paint issue, any auto maker stands behind it with a repainted car or your money back period. There is no tolerance at JJP prices to say only a few is okay. That is not the case with POTC and WW, even though as a fanboy, you’re trying hard to defend a sinking ship.

Quoted from Cgpinhead:

My POTC CE has a ton of plays....no problems at all. Please remember that the vast majority of owners have not had problems. The ones that do, post about it. I own every JJP game and can attest to the fact that they all have perfect playfields and no issues whatsoever. I also believe that most people (other than the ones sending photos on here) have had no problems either. I just think that the manufacturers need to speak up about this problem as gambling thousands of dollars is not a fun thing to do.

Quoted from pipes:

So you just want to assume that all of their customers are active on Pinside and the ones with issues have all posted in these threads? This is your way of getting an accurate number?

Quoted from Cgpinhead:

I don’t need to address your conspiracy theories, but let’s say JJP sold 1000 machines. Let’s also say that 50 have this issue...that is a low deficiency rate. In manufacturing that’s not a terrible number.
The reason I am suggesting a count is that facts and numbers give much more accurate information.
Also, I would like to add that “50” is a very high estimate....again, count the complaints...

Quoted from RichieWrench:

I acttally agree with you on the numbers - I don't think it is as high, But there are issues with some and the company is not taking care of them - I hope it is low number, I dont care if it was just two - Take care of those two and move on....Lets hope that JJP does the right thing.

Quoted from Cgpinhead:

It is definitely a starting point.

Quoted from Procrastinator:

My POTC has one post with a half circle of bubbling, but otherwise good. My wonka has 3-4 of the sling posts bubbled, which obviously is unacceptable. It’s definitely worse on some more than others.
I gotta say though, jimwe5t using holocaust references is pathetic and disgusting. It’s par for the course to see him running to every thread to make sure everyone knows what a rage boner he has for JJP...but when the outright lies and exaggerations aren’t enough, he drops the holocaust comparison. How pathetic.
It’s the same thing when stern has a problem, some insane JJP defenders go and troll their thread and vice versa. Truthfully, both extremes are clearly crazy, But luckily there’s a lot of levelheaded commentary with good info to be gleaned from. Hopefully the one good thing that comes from all this is that manufacturers across the board realize this is a problem, and go back to making the quality product we all expect. Everyone of them has done it right in the past, so there’s no reason to believe they can’t get it back that way moving forward.

Quoted from Cgpinhead:

I agree Richie! Maybe JJP should let people know those numbers. It might resume people’s confidence.

Quoted from jimwe5t:

Trying to blow off my comments by calling them conspiracy??? Pretty low my friend, pretty low.
Unless you can count all the affected people that are not on pinside what does it matter? If just one automobile has a paint issue, any auto maker stands behind it with a repainted car or your money back period. There is no tolerance at JJP prices to say only a few is okay. That is not the case with POTC and WW, even though as a fanboy, you’re trying hard to defend a sinking ship.

Quoted from Procrastinator:

Dude, look at your post history...Literally 95% of them trashing JJP. For someone that doesn’t like them you sure spend a lot of time posting about them. Never mind the holocaust comparisons, but claiming people are creating accounts to come defend their manufacturer of choice? Haha project much? Honestly, I feel bad for guys like you....literally nothing better to do than post endless screeds attacking a business. It’s pathetic when people do it to stern, and pathetic when people do it to JJP. Oof, I couldn’t imagine such a sad existence. Best of luck on your mission to set the pinball world straight.

Quoted from jimwe5t:

Here you go again attempting to bully and attacking me when ever you come here to post. You’re the pathetic one and it never stops from you. I hope you find happiness in your very poor treatment toward me.

Quoted from jimwe5t:

I’ve avoided making any comment to your constant nonsense and sexual harassment till now. Your filthy mouth and trying to bring holocaust reference to this is what is low. Name the lies pal?