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Wonka LE Sling Post Chipping in one month!!


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#551 25 days ago
Quoted from Budman:

McDonalds forgets to put the third pickle on a hamburger, consumers complain and Mcd’s responds immediately.

I hate it when they put pickles on my burger when I ask for without. And their response is to just pull them off and hand me back the same burger. Then I gotta send it back again.

Wouldn't it be a lot easier and best for all involved if they took the time and effort to do it right the first time?

#552 25 days ago
Quoted from Extraballz:

For Stern yes but what about some saying their POTC PF is fine. How does that work if they are all Mirco?

There are people buying these and hardly playing them so you have to consider that.

People will say whatever to drive an agenda but as soon as they are affected they will be jumping on the bandwagon or secretly talking to their distro/JJP.

Issues seem to be showing up after about 500 games played at least that was the consensus early on with POTC.

I have yet to see one on location that isn’t all torn up and I’m talking in addition to the slings.

I just played a wonka last month on location, two weeks old and looked like dog shit altready. I posted some photos because i couldn’t believe it.

#553 25 days ago

Sadly going forward, any recent game I think about purchasing, the first thing I will be looking for is pooling or hopefully be able to buy a non pooling game.

Crazy really.

#554 25 days ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

Sadly going forward, any recent game I think about purchasing, the first thing I will be looking for is pooling or hopefully be able to buy a non pooling game.
Crazy really.

What was the last pool themed game? Billiards or swimming, doesn't matter.

#555 25 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

What was the last pool themed game? Billiards or swimming, doesn't matter.

So you want a Michael Phelps themed pin?
Now you've really gone off....the deep end.

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#556 25 days ago
Quoted from Budman:

For gosh sakes, McDonalds forgets to put the third pickle on a hamburger, consumers complain and Mcd’s responds immediately. It’s hard to believe that there has been no response from JJP or Stern on this issue. I don’t get it. Every company their size has a PR person or department to handle these things. No response from them is worse than one that not everyone is pleased with.

If all JJP has to do was add another pickle, I’m sure you’d be hearing from them.

#557 25 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

Wouldn't it be a lot easier and best for all involved if they took the time and effort to do it right the first time?

Be a lot easier to just eat the pickles or take 'em off yourself.

#558 25 days ago
Quoted from yancy:

Be a lot easier to just eat the pickles or take 'em off yourself.

Easier maybe, but not what I paid for. That would be like putting a decal on a chipping playfield. Just never liked them or the juice they leave behind. I don't do cucumbers either. But will eat just about anything else.

I am a firm believer in doing something right the first time, and correct it quickly when informed something about the way it is being done is wrong. But I'm not in the pinball manufacturing industry.

#559 25 days ago
Quoted from gliebig:

So you want a Michael Phelps themed pin?
Now you've really gone off....the deep end.

Sounds kinda cool to me!

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#560 25 days ago
Quoted from Ballypinball:

It could also be the type of petroleum based chemicals in the plastic posts reacting with the clear coat.

It's not this because the issues on my Munsters are all under metal posts/washers.

I'm still voting it's a wood/ink adhesion issue.

#561 25 days ago

My opinion on this is it is cheap eco friendly materials and not the best, hardest wood causing most of this.

To have used the best possible materials, which are probably available, would have too much affected the all important bottom line. Just my opinion of course.

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#562 25 days ago
Quoted from Adipocere:

My distributor said that he makes a little over $200 on the Wonka SEs. When JJP lowered prices on the entry editions, the difference was taken almost completely out of the distro’s profit margin. I’m not sure if they made up for it on the LEs though. I would suspect that way more Wonka SEs are selling compared to previous JJP titles, including to new buyers like myself who could not justify the higher prices in the past.
JJP is apparently strict on a lot, including shipping fees for distros. This is why you rarely if ever see the free shipping deals you see on Sterns. Way less profit margin.
I can not confirm any of this, but I didn’t get the impression he was lying (or had any reason to). I also didn’t get into or particularly care to ask how much they make on Sterns.

At $200 per game, I would never waste my resources as a company to try and sell them.

#563 25 days ago
Quoted from yancy:

Be a lot easier to just eat the pickles or take 'em off yourself.

Can’t get the pickle taste out of a bun once it’s there. I hate pickles.

#564 25 days ago
Quoted from Psw757:

Exactly what I was getting at with Stern using different vendor and even different vendors on same license. How can many Beatles be perfect with no issue and all of a sudden boom we have a batch that is all jacked up. Different vendor and different process is my suspicion.

Could just be different batches with the same vendor. If they don’t have the mix right it will be different.

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#565 25 days ago
Quoted from Black_Knight:

Can’t get the pickle taste out of a bun once it’s there. I hate pickles.

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#566 25 days ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

At $200 per game, I would never waste my resources as a company to try and sell them.

I couldn't agree more...$200 is a joke....

#567 25 days ago

Jurassic Park pros are already chipping. Someone posted pics in other playfield thread about issues.

#568 25 days ago
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

Jurassic Park pros are already chipping. Someone posted pics in other playfield thread about issues.

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#569 25 days ago
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

Jurassic Park pros are already chipping. Someone posted pics in other playfield thread about issues.

It’s a planned feature. For those who don’t like a game’s playfield art, “who cares, it’s gonna chip off anyway!”

#570 25 days ago
Quoted from Adipocere:

My distributor said that he makes a little over $200 on the Wonka SEs

I smell bull poop.

#571 25 days ago

I got about 3 pages in...and all I can think is...

You know...screw all of you that want CPR to pick up playfield production for Stern and JJP! Yes, I'm being hyperbolic, but let me explain...

There is no other company that makes reproduction playfields. They're ALREADY slow as dirt, and the changeover to digital has not happened, and many playfields that are needed are still unavailable. You guys only want them to pick it up so you can continue to buy your 10k NIBs, but the rest of us? We're dying for a 700$ playfield to go in our 1400 games. We don't have the money for 10k JJP games. Is someone then supposed to step in to do what they're doing so that people that prefer older games don't get boned in the name of rampant consumerism, or are we just going back to the dark ages where no replacement playfields for old games were available?

Nope. Do not like that suggestion AT ALL.

*Edit* I want to clarify something. I'm not saying CPR is slow as dirt as a disparaging thing, just a statement of fact. The things they do take a lot of time, from planning through production. We wait years in a lot of cases from announcement of one of their projects to production and shipping.

#572 25 days ago
Quoted from Frax:

I got about 3 pages in...and all I can think is...
You know...screw all of you that want CPR to pick up playfield production for Stern and JJP! Yes, I'm being hyperbolic, but let me explain...
There is no other company that makes reproduction playfields. They're ALREADY slow as dirt, and the changeover to digital has not happened, and many playfields that are needed are still unavailable. You guys only want them to pick it up so you can continue to buy your 10k NIBs, but the rest of us? We're dying for a 700$ playfield to go in our 1400 games. We don't have the money for 10k JJP games. Is someone then supposed to step in to do what they're doing so that people that prefer older games don't get boned in the name of rampant consumerism, or are we just going back to the dark ages where no replacement playfields for old games were available?
Nope. Do not like that suggestion AT ALL.

If they are are "slow as dirt" AND care deeply about quality, CPR's culture and business model are highly unlikely to keep up with Stern/JJP.

Highly unlikely to happen, so I don't think you have much to worry about.

#573 25 days ago
Quoted from snaroff:

If they are are "slow as dirt" AND care deeply about quality, CPR's culture and business model are highly unlikely to keep up with Stern/JJP.
Highly unlikely to happen, so I don't think you have much to worry about.

Probably not, and it was an absurd suggestion the first time it was made on this thread for those exact reasons...... but then it just..kept...being.......reposted... >_<

#574 25 days ago
Quoted from SyntheticDavid:

knob shining idiot

I laughed really hard at this ... and for a long time . I needed that.

#575 25 days ago

I'm not a playfield clearcoat expert at all, but from what I can tell in those pics, the clearcoat is still hot when the playfield is being assembled. That's the *only* way you'd get those defects. The ink coming up is due to it being bound to the clear. I don't think there is an issue with the ink binding to the wood ... this looks like a clearcoat problem.

I wonder if they're using additives to the clear (like fisheye remover)? (thinking out loud). Doesn't fisheye remover 'soften' the clear thus making cure time longer?

Using plastic washers under the posts should work well for those playfields that are 'mostly' cured. I think you'd have the same problems if washers were used at the factory. While you shouldn't have to do this for a $10K+ machine, you should install washers under the posts the minute you take delivery. Also, don't torque those posts down really tight ... a little bit more than hand tight should be all you need to use.

One final note ... if these playfields are being printed in China, I expect a LOT of bootleg playfields to become available soon ... once they see what they sell for, you'll more than likely see them flood the market with knockoffs.

Using Chinese manufacturing to have playfields cut and inserts assembled shouldn't be a problem, but these companies are stupid if they're giving them all of the artwork to print them.

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#576 25 days ago
Quoted from Budman:

That’s 2.6% on sales. Nobody in their right mind works on that low of a margin.

You might be right, and I can not confirm it by any means. It could be BS from the distributor. Consider this though: they went up $500 on the price of LEs and JJP LEs have always vastly outsold the SEs, so they probably were a package deal with the understanding that distributors would make the money back and then some on LE sales.

Who knows? With JJP, after all, we are talking about a company that makes its customers pay return shipping for faulty warranty parts, and also who think that $22 is a reasonable S&H fee to put a small clothing object in an envelope and ship it 5 states away.

It would be infuriating if they didn't also make the absolute best pinball games of the modern era, and maybe ever.

#577 25 days ago

My Guardians of the Galaxy has no pooling or chipping. 13,625 plays, Born November 21, 2017.

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#578 25 days ago

Notice there are no graphics under the sling, just white wood

Quoted from JodyG:

My Guardians of the Galaxy has no pooling or chipping. 13,625 plays, Born November 21, 2017.[quoted image][quoted image]

#579 25 days ago

Is that a crack coming out from under the left lower sling post?

#580 25 days ago
Quoted from JodyG:

no pooling or chipping.

Maybe, but that looks like a crack to me? Are all GOTG like that?

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#581 25 days ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

Notice there are no graphics under the sling, just white wood

I’ll take white wood and no chips, cracks or delamination everyday of the week all year long.

Seriously, if that somehow solves the issue so be it. At least the game doesn’t look all fucked up!

#582 25 days ago
Quoted from Frax:

Maybe, but that looks like a crack to me? Are all GOTG like that?[quoted image]

Can’t tell, looks awfully straight to be a random crack.

13,700 games played though and looks pretty darn respectable to me.

Just shows a good clear coat is possible.

#583 25 days ago

If it is a crack, most likely from tightening the bottom post too much- one would think the plastic post would break first.

#584 25 days ago

Crackgate exposed!

#585 25 days ago
Quoted from Frax:

Maybe, but that looks like a crack to me? Are all GOTG like that?[quoted image]

Good eye! It appears to be a very fine scratch of some sort full of black rubber gunk from the black rubbers, or coil dust. The machine was filthy from coil dust under the plastics when I got it. I believe it was in Sunshine for a year, then I bought it. It cleaned up nice at the end of the day. I'm impressed with Stern quality on this one.

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#586 24 days ago
Quoted from JodyG:

I believe it was in Sunshine for a year, then I bought it.

That’s it! Buy a nib game, leave it out and in the sun to cure. Well, let’s call the boys and wrap this up. We’re done here...

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#587 24 days ago
Quoted from underlord:

That’s it! Buy a nib game, leave it out and in the sun to cure. Well, let’s call the boys and wrap this up. We’re done here...[quoted image]

Dammit, I can't not laugh at that

#588 24 days ago
Quoted from Psw757:

Can’t tell, looks awfully straight to be a random crack.
13,700 games played though and looks pretty darn respectable to me.
Just shows a good clear coat is possible.

Not sure what you mean...a crack doesn't have to be zigzag.

And yeah, I'm not saying for that many plays that a single crack that size is even an ISSUE, but saying that a GOTG PF doesn't have these issues when the clear is hard enough to just crack, not tear/pool/ripple...it's a different sort of issue. Also possible as was mentioned by Jody, could just be a scratch, which is believable too.

*edit* It could be a hair that got caught under the post too and is lying flat in wax or something. Wouldn't be the first time I've seen that!

#589 24 days ago

This is crazy, I was going to buy a Wonka LE my first NIB, but now I am worried with all this pooling and chipping that’s coming to light plus all the other problems. Hopefully JJP will figure this all out and come up with a solution. But going forward I am sure there’s tons of Wonka pf what will have this issue and tons still not installed yet that are already made.

#590 24 days ago
Quoted from megadeth2600:

I'm not a playfield clearcoat expert at all, but from what I can tell in those pics, the clearcoat is still hot when the playfield is being assembled. That's the *only* way you'd get those defects.

No - because the problems progress and get worse long after the pf should have been cured and hardened. It’s something that progresses with time... meaning the clear isn’t soft at juse one point in time.

Dunno how this thread is 500+ posts.. people have been discussing this for wonka for months now.

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#591 24 days ago

Have done more research on this and found that JJP/Mirco is using water based clear instead of two pack polyurethane because of the environmental impact of the fumes pollution in our homes. Actually if this is the case, my opinion has turned 180 degrees. JJP/Mirco should be applauded for not using the very dangerous two pack polyurethane that many countries have now outlawed because of it off gassing in our homes and being very carcinogenic and super dangerous to us and our families health. I’d rather live with some chipping than having health problems.

Still think, giving 6 months or at least longer curing time is the answer and not printing artwork under the high impact areas, like Stern has done on Munsters, GOTG, etc., in the sling areas and such. No print clear coat adhesion issues there. If JJP were to come out and say this is the reason, who could be upset with them??? Except, JJP not giving enough curing time before assembly. Or over tightening mechs/posts. Or using too thick of a layer of clear coat. JJP should use this as a marketing coo instead of all the negative press they are getting now.

#592 24 days ago

Needs more research ^^^^^^^

#593 24 days ago
Quoted from jimwe5t:

Have done more research on this and found that JJP/Mirco is using water based clear instead of two pack polyurethane because of the environmental impact of the fumes pollution in our homes. Actually if this is the case, my opinion has turned 180 degrees. JJP/Mirco should be applauded for not using the very dangerous two pack polyurethane that many countries have now outlawed because of it off gassing in our homes and being very carcinogenic and super dangerous to us and our families health. I’d rather live with some chipping than having health problems.
Still think, giving 6 months or at least longer curing time is the answer and not printing artwork under the high impact areas, like Stern has done on Munsters, GOTG, etc., in the sling areas and such. No print clear coat adhesion issues there. If JJP were to come out and say this is the reason, who could be upset with them??? Except, JJP not giving enough curing time before assembly. Or over tightening mechs/posts. Or using too thick of a layer of clear coat. JJP should use this as a marketing coo instead of all the negative press they are getting now.

#594 24 days ago
Quoted from jimwe5t:

Have done more research on this and found that JJP/Mirco is using water based clear instead of two pack polyurethane because of the environmental impact of the fumes pollution in our homes. Actually if this is the case, my opinion has turned 180 degrees. JJP/Mirco should be applauded for not using the very dangerous two pack polyurethane that many countries have now outlawed because of it off gassing in our homes and being very carcinogenic and super dangerous to us and our families health. I’d rather live with some chipping than having health problems.
Still think, giving 6 months or at least longer curing time is the answer and not printing artwork under the high impact areas, like Stern has done on Munsters, GOTG, etc., in the sling areas and such. No print clear coat adhesion issues there. If JJP were to come out and say this is the reason, who could be upset with them??? Except, JJP not giving enough curing time before assembly. Or over tightening mechs/posts. Or using too thick of a layer of clear coat. JJP should use this as a marketing coo instead of all the negative press they are getting now.

OUR PINBALL MACHINES ARE POISONING US!!!

#595 24 days ago
Quoted from Adipocere:

OUR PINBALL MACHINES ARE POISONING US!!!
Can California go ahead and just break off into the ocean so the rest of us can get on with life in the real world?

There are plenty of people in CA that aren't that extreme in their views. But something must be happening right here - it's the 5th largest economy in the world, and no other state in the US is even CLOSE to it economically, which is why it sets the pace for the rest of the country. If CA were a country, it would be #5 in the world. Bigger than the UK and creeping up on Germany for #4.

#596 24 days ago

Game on route in my hometown. Left slingshot star post has the art work lifting up on the lower side (looks like a fingernail clipping). The other star posts also have bubbling.

I checked the Stern JP. The clear looked good for now. Stern has metal washers under the slingshot star posts. The game is only about 2 days old.
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#597 24 days ago
Quoted from jimwe5t:

Have done more research on this and found that JJP/Mirco is using water based clear instead of two pack polyurethane because of the environmental impact of the fumes pollution in our homes. Actually if this is the case, my opinion has turned 180 degrees. JJP/Mirco should be applauded for not using the very dangerous two pack polyurethane that many countries have now outlawed because of it off gassing in our homes and being very carcinogenic and super dangerous to us and our families health. I’d rather live with some chipping than having health problems.
Still think, giving 6 months or at least longer curing time is the answer and not printing artwork under the high impact areas, like Stern has done on Munsters, GOTG, etc., in the sling areas and such. No print clear coat adhesion issues there. If JJP were to come out and say this is the reason, who could be upset with them??? Except, JJP not giving enough curing time before assembly. Or over tightening mechs/posts. Or using too thick of a layer of clear coat. JJP should use this as a marketing coo instead of all the negative press they are getting now.

That's what I tell my customers......

#598 24 days ago
Quoted from jimwe5t:

Have done more research on this and found that JJP/Mirco is using water based clear instead of two pack polyurethane because of the environmental impact of the fumes pollution in our homes.

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#599 24 days ago
Quoted from vireland:

There are plenty of people in CA that aren't that extreme in their views. It sets the pace for the rest of the country.

True dat!

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#600 24 days ago
Quoted from PtownPin:

I couldn't agree more...$200 is a joke....

Sure is but that's the truth. That's why big companys don't have to hire in house sales forces, they just let the distros shark each other to death and do their work for them.

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