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Wonka - Is it missing bass notes in the sound?


By Fordiesel69

3 months ago



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#1 3 months ago

Does anyone else notice the Woz, DI, and other JJP games have a very full spectrum of sound with plenty of bass? The wonka seems to not have any whatsoever in the sound tracks or effects. Am I the only one that notices this?

#2 3 months ago
Quoted from Fordiesel69:

Does anyone else notice the Woz, DI, and other JJP games have a very full spectrum of sound with plenty of bass? The wonka seems to not have any whatsoever in the sound tracks or effects. Am I the only one that notices this?

This has been a complaint ... if u hook up a powered subwoofer it helps but Wonka definitely does not have alot of lower end sound. Some of the modes do but overall not much bass

#3 3 months ago

I agree that the audio from my WWLE is thin and almost tinny. I tried connecting a good set of headphones the to the machine and it helped a little but I'm afraid as others have said that there is not much bass to be had on this soundtrack.

#4 3 months ago
Quoted from bigd1979:

This has been a complaint ... if u hook up a powered subwoofer it helps but Wonka definitely does not have alot of lower end sound. Some of the modes do but overall not much bass

Polk Audio 10” sub $100

#5 3 months ago

JJP really needs to address the issue. No reason with the factory stereo they cannot at least get some midrange and lower frequencies.

#6 3 months ago
Quoted from romulusx:

Polk Audio 10” sub $100

+1 The Polk 10” subwoofer.

I just got a wonka le and added the subwoofer plus the Pin sub woofer kit from the Pinovators.

The sound is still thin at times, but the extra base brings it MUCH closer to where it deserves to be from an audio standpoint.

#7 3 months ago
Quoted from romulusx:

Polk Audio 10” sub $100

I have one on all my pins.. wonka just doesn't have many low tones but it definitely helps and reccomend it to anyone .

#8 3 months ago

Sound mix settings

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#9 3 months ago
Quoted from Pinballomatic:

Sound mix settings [quoted image]

I've tried many things.. there Just isnt alot of lower frequency content in the game... not s big deal as its just how it is and di and Wonka are still my all time favorite pins.

#10 3 months ago
Quoted from bigd1979:

I've tried many things.. there Just isnt alot of lower frequency content in the game... not s big deal as its just how it is and di and Wonka are still my all time favorite pins.

Gotcha - some folks don't know you can mix em up

#11 3 months ago
Quoted from Pinballomatic:

Gotcha - some folks don't know you can mix em up

Appreciated. Tried it. Just not there as already mentioned.

#12 3 months ago
Quoted from Pinballomatic:

Sound mix settings [quoted image]

While level adjustments are available I was surprised to find out that there is no bass & treble level adjustment. It seems it would be easy to implement in the software. I hope JJP will add bass & treble adjustments in future software updates.

#13 3 months ago
Quoted from RellikJM:

While level adjustments are available I was surprised to find out that there is no bass & treble level adjustment. It seems it would be easy to implement in the software. I hope JJP will add bass & treble adjustments in future software updates.

Hobbit has a bit different mix I think. Not certain.

#14 3 months ago

While I do agree that I think JJP should handle this in software (ALSA mixer already has a bass/treble adjustment - it would just need to be exposed in the menu), the PinWoofer is a great upgrade which keeps everything in the game (I.e. no external box) and installs very easily.

#15 3 months ago
Quoted from bigd1979:

I've tried many things.. there Just isnt alot of lower frequency content in the game... not s big deal as its just how it is and di and Wonka are still my all time favorite pins.

Quoted from RellikJM:

While level adjustments are available I was surprised to find out that there is no bass & treble level adjustment. It seems it would be easy to implement in the software. I hope JJP will add bass & treble adjustments in future software updates.

Agree on the stock audio; its thin and lacks presence but there is actually some wonderful bass content in the track itself. However, it goes unrealized due to the lack of amplification provided by the system.

One of the goals of our new GT amplifier was to add tone controls (bass/cut/treble) not only for the 90's and 00's titles, but also for the JJP's. I did a write-up detailing my take on JJP's setup and what we offer if you are interested in reading about it:

https://pinwoofer.com/blog/pinwoofer-jersey-jack-audio-overview/

Here is where we advise running Wonka with the PinWoofer GT system (depending on volume, I like to change up the Bass Freq / cutoff as pictured):

https://pinwoofer.com/blog/pinwoofer-jersey-jack-pinball-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-amplifier-settings/

Thanks

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#16 3 days ago

Posted this in the “club” thread and was immediately met with arguments as usual...should have posted here. So let me start by saying that if you are reading this and you are happy with the stock sound, awesome. Move along No need to argue it here. I do believe though, that if you are just “okay” with the sound, or even just someone who likes to experiment, you should at least give the damping a try anyway, bc better is always better.
I bought the Elac SUB1010 and the Pinnovators kit that SBrothers mentioned above. About $150 total and well worth it. After a day of tweaking, I’m actually happy with the sound now. I’ve finally got it sounding as good or better than the JPP sitting next to it. I turned the low pass all the way up, making it as involved as possible in the audio, and adjusted the sub volume to blend so it’s not too boomy. IMO though, the most important thing I did was dampen the tweeters. I used a stack of gauze pads and some black carbon filter material I had lying around, and it helped tremendously. Just added/removed material until I found a nice balance that wasn’t too harsh and wasn’t too muffled sounding. That carbon material is cheap and makes it look like it was meant to be there, but it’s just what I had on hand. Many things will work for this, just play around with it. Maybe one day they will finally put a bass and treble adjustment in a software update, but until then, this is the best you can do. Location and room makeup will make everyone’s experience different, but I highly recommend giving this a try. Tweeters are the only thing pointing right at your head and they overwhelm everything. Even if you don’t have a sub, I’d experiment with turning the volume up and damping the mids and tweeters so you can actually hear the bass. There’s a lot more there than the “defenders of the crown” will tell you or than you would think I play my pins close to arcade volume, and this game gave me a headache before. Literally. Sounds great now. I love this pin and theme otherwise, and this simple tweak will help ensure that I keep it around permanently. Would be curious to know if this helps any of you who have already added a sub as well. Hope this helps someone...

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#17 3 days ago

I have been meaning to do the same with the sound dampening. DI has the same problem and I believe it is due to how the speakers in the top bar are set up. They are pointed upwards and a metal plate directs the sound forwards towards you. The metal plate inside has some other purpose that I cant recall right now but it gives the sound as if it is literally coming from a plastic horn type speaker. So my intention was to open the top sound bar up and add some sound dampening material to the inside. At very least add some to the metal plate, the rest of the cabinet might be fine left as is. It is going to be a process so I haven't done it yet.

#18 2 days ago
Quoted from pinstyle:

I have been meaning to do the same with the sound dampening. DI has the same problem and I believe it is due to how the speakers in the top bar are set up. They are pointed upwards and a metal plate directs the sound forwards towards you. The metal plate inside has some other purpose that I cant recall right now but it gives the sound as if it is literally coming from a plastic horn type speaker. So my intention was to open the top sound bar up and add some sound dampening material to the inside. At very least add some to the metal plate, the rest of the cabinet might be fine left as is. It is going to be a process so I haven't done it yet.

Awesome. I was going to try to get in there myself and see how the speaker cabinet was set up, but that totally makes sense if there’s a metal plate in there...Do you have a pic of it? Wonder if we can glue some foam or car audio damping material on it without screwing anything up.

#19 2 days ago

Every JJP game I’ve ever owned (all except Wonka, ironically) has had this issue. The problem is not the speaker positioning, it’s that the speakers plug directly into the computer’s motherboard audio outs, which has a pathetically low powered amplifier.

PinWoofer is the best way to go here. Reversible (though you will never ever remove it), easy to install, and WOW what a difference.

#20 2 days ago

It looks to me like the back box speaker bar connects to the amplifier board. The only thing I can see that plugs directly into the CPU is the cabinet headphone jack.

#21 2 days ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Every JJP game I’ve ever owned (all except Wonka, ironically) has had this issue. The problem is not the speaker positioning, it’s that the speakers plug directly into the computer’s motherboard audio outs, which has a pathetically low powered amplifier.
PinWoofer is the best way to go here. Reversible (though you will never ever remove it), easy to install, and WOW what a difference.

Yeah, looked into the Pinwoofer and it looks like an excellent product. It’s probably the best way to go, but I’m just too cheap I guess...There’s usually more than one way to skin a cat, and I’ve achieved a sound at least as good as (family thinks better than) my JPP by just adding that sub and damping the tweeters and mids. My WW was a combination of issues. Upward firing mids (possibly with a metal plate inside), tweeters in the face, poor amplification, and my biggest issue, which is the lack of adjustments/mixer. IMO, most people who were critical of the “slot machine” sounds on this pin don’t realize that it’s just the bad sound mix/lack of bass.

Quoted from pinstyle:

It looks to me like the back box speaker bar connects to the amplifier board. The only thing I can see that plugs directly into the CPU is the cabinet headphone jack.

Agree. My manual shows an amplifier board.

#22 2 days ago

Yep, probably several issues going on here. A sub will no doubt improve the sound but I am just not one to add anything to my machines if I don't have to. So I may just try dampening the sound inside the cabinet for those mids when I get around to it. I have even thought about just doing what you did and dampening them externally but I haven't come across any suitable material yet. The right piece of foam would do good.

#23 2 days ago

Here's another option for more bass! Takes abut 15min and under $85 too!

#24 1 day ago
Quoted from Darkfader:

Here's another option for more bass! Takes abut 15min and under $85 too!

Man...wish I would have come across that video sooner. That’s the way I would go for sure. Best of both worlds. Cheap, and no external speaker. I may give that a try down the road anyway. Thanks.

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