(Topic ID: 38306)

WMS industries being purchased


By Dewey68

6 years ago



Topic Stats

  • 53 posts
  • 35 Pinsiders participating
  • Latest reply 6 years ago by Iamdarras
  • Topic is favorited by 1 Pinsider

You

Linked Games

No games have been linked to this topic.

    Topic Gallery

    There have been 2 images uploaded to this topic. (View topic image gallery).

    th-1.jpeg
    08picard.jpg

    There are 53 posts in this topic. You are on page 1 of 2.
    #2 6 years ago

    Holy crap! It's up over 50% today. I hope some of the old pinball guys still have some stock.

    #3 6 years ago

    Wow, that's great for those guys who have stock!

    #4 6 years ago

    $1.42 billion. That's Billion with a "B"

    Kim

    #5 6 years ago

    What do you mean the old Williams? It is Williams (AKA WMS Gaming).

    Unless you were just confused on if WMS is infact the same company as the Williams that made pinball machines. If so, yes, it is the same company.

    #6 6 years ago
    Quoted from Mr68:

    $1.42 billion. That's Billion with a "B"
    Kim

    That's literally, EXACTLY what I was going to post! Well, except I wouldn't have signed it "Kim".

    #7 6 years ago
    Quoted from Mr68:

    $1.42 billion. That's Billion with a "B"

    I guess the gaming business is just a wee bit more lucrative than pinball ....

    #8 6 years ago
    Quoted from gweempose:

    I guess the gaming business is just a wee bit more lucrative than pinball ....

    With legal video poker in Illinois (and elsewhere), Stern should lobby to bring back payouts for pinball machines. This may bring back a real resurgence in pinball in the wild.

    #9 6 years ago

    Don't no one get their hopes up, now!

    #10 6 years ago

    I doubt we will be seeing new Williams pinball machines anytime soon. Or ever.

    #11 6 years ago
    Quoted from Pinmeister:

    I doubt we will be seeing new Williams pinball machines anytime soon. Or ever.

    On the contrary, the only reason Scientific Games is purchasing them is because they want to start back up the pinball division. They saw the thread about the $10,000 WOZ, and they want in!

    #12 6 years ago
    Quoted from gweempose:

    On the contrary, the only reason Scientific Games is purchasing them is because they want to start back up the pinball division. They saw the thread about the $10,000 WOZ, and they want in!

    LOL. Way to gin up the rumor mill.

    Kim

    #13 6 years ago
    Quoted from gweempose:

    On the contrary, the only reason Scientific Games is purchasing them is because they want to start back up the pinball division. They saw the thread about the $10,000 WOZ, and they want in!

    Wow! You are absolutely right. It has been confirmed that the new company will be doing a re-issue of MM. Wayne will be the project manager.

    #14 6 years ago

    I need to know more...

    #15 6 years ago

    I guess that vague rumor of Williams making a comeback had some substance to it. Now the next thing to do is have WMS license their best IP to.....absolutely nobody so they can't mess it up. License out video game versions of tables with a super-strict clause that the Xbox version gets released first. heh.

    #16 6 years ago
    Quoted from Dewey68:

    With legal video poker in Illinois (and elsewhere), Stern should lobby to bring back payouts for pinball machines. This may bring back a real resurgence in pinball in the wild.

    Yea seriously, there's money to be made in gambling. I was in an italian restaurant about 2 miles from my house like 2 months ago, and I see like 5 slots in the bar. I'm like "wah? how are they getting away with that?". Sure enough I looked it up, legalized since october in illinois.

    Imagine having a global pot, and every month it pays out for highest score posted? If Stern really wants to see sales soar, they'd consider a system like this. Hell, I'd play more public games if it meant possibly winning some money while having fun doing it.

    #17 6 years ago

    With all the money they are making selling slot machines I doubt they give a crap about getting back into the pinball business. They have a ton of machines on the floor in Vegas and obviously do a lot of development with so many different titles and different formats for the actual machines and video games. Slot machines and their parts take up less room in a manufacturing facility too, take less time to design, less artwork, less coding, no cabinet art etc.

    #18 6 years ago

    " Purchasing WMS will allow it to quickly expand its offerings in arcade-type games"

    Maybe???????

    no. probably not.

    #19 6 years ago

    But seriously. I would S#!t if i saw that classic Williams logo on a new machine.

    #20 6 years ago
    Quoted from Dewey68:

    With legal video poker in Illinois (and elsewhere), Stern should lobby to bring back payouts for pinball machines. This may bring back a real resurgence in pinball in the wild.

    Ummmm.... NO!
    Last thing I want is someone knocking on my door asking if I'm running "gray" pinball machines out of my house.

    #21 6 years ago

    Unfortunately, a payout pin vs a slot gauged in $ per minute, maintenance and $ per sqft occupied would lose big time.

    However, there are bingo pins still out and still earning. There is an electronic Bingo as well, I believe produced in Belgium.

    #22 6 years ago

    Trivia time: Scientific Games, Inc. was once a division of Bally Manufacturing Corporation.

    #23 6 years ago
    Quoted from minnesota13:

    Unfortunately, a payout pin vs a slot gauged in $ per minute, maintenance and $ per sqft occupied would lose big time.

    Same reason why pinball as a redemption game won't work. Kids don't want to play a skill game anymore. They want the illusion of skill, and the quick, no effort reward. The "skill" redemption games get played by the adults for fun while the kids are busy stuffing quarters into the gambling style games as fast as they can. It's very similar to watching old ladies at a casino...

    My childhood was drawing to a close when redemption really started widely replacing normal vids and pins in the early/mid 90's. I can tell you from my experience that I didn't base my redemption plays on skill or fun. I based it on how many tickets I could win per quarter to maximize my money.

    #24 6 years ago
    Quoted from shardian:

    It's very similar to watching old ladies at a casino...

    Except without the cigarettes and o2 tanks.

    #25 6 years ago
    Quoted from minnesota13:

    Unfortunately, a payout pin vs a slot gauged in $ per minute, maintenance and $ per sqft occupied would lose big time.
    However, there are bingo pins still out and still earning. There is an electronic Bingo as well, I believe produced in Belgium.

    Yes, apparently they're very popular there in bars.

    Also, there are chinese made bingos and the target markets seem to be central and south america.

    I don't think bingo pinball would work in traditional casinos (maybe one ball games) but in a niche "alternative" casino for people who want something different they might have a shot. And they could definitely work in bars.

    I've heard from several sources that there are locations in SF that still operate bingos. I don't know if they pay out or not.

    #26 6 years ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    Trivia time: Scientific Games, Inc. was once a division of Bally Manufacturing Corporation.

    That is an interesting factoid. Thanks.

    Kim

    #27 6 years ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    Trivia time: Scientific Games, Inc. was once a division of Bally Manufacturing Corporation.

    Good find.

    "Bally's fastest growing division by mid-year 1984 was Scientific Games. Because of the availability of essentially tamper-free electronic lottery machines, 18 states had lottery systems in place, with 20 more states considering the option."

    http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/bally-manufacturing-corporation-history/

    #28 6 years ago
    Quoted from s1500:

    I guess that vague rumor of Williams making a comeback had some substance to it. Now the next thing to do is have WMS license their best IP to.....absolutely nobody so they can't mess it up.

    They're still using those IP's. See video linked below.

    Quoted from jonnyo:

    I've heard from several sources that there are locations in SF that still operate bingos.

    "The Castle" on Newhall. Can't miss it. They pay out, but you could get robbed in the same visit.

    http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2009/08/10/thrice-stormed-castle/

    #29 6 years ago
    Quoted from toyotaboy:

    Imagine having a global pot, and every month it pays out for highest score posted? If Stern really wants to see sales soar, they'd consider a system like this. Hell, I'd play more public games if it meant possibly winning some money while having fun doing it.

    OK, what I'm imagining is owners and their friends all over the world sliding back the glass and manually pushing switches for 20 hours at a time.

    I don't see payouts working except localized where the payer can monitor cheating and (more importantly) not stand to profit from it. It works for Golden Tee and video poker because you don't have anywhere near the element of tampering/mechanical failure.

    #30 6 years ago
    Quoted from phishrace:

    They're still using those IP's. See video linked below.

    "The Castle" on Newhall. Can't miss it. They pay out, but you could get robbed in the same visit.
    http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2009/08/10/thrice-stormed-castle/
    ยป YouTube video

    Wow...unbelievable.

    #31 6 years ago
    Quoted from Dewey68:

    With legal video poker in Illinois (and elsewhere), Stern should lobby to bring back payouts for pinball machines. This may bring back a real resurgence in pinball in the wild.

    Yay! Lets make it impossible to buy pins for home use!

    I seriously hope this NEVER happens, ever.

    #32 6 years ago

    To me, if Williams came back to make pins, it would be like the Chargers winning the Super Bowl.

    #33 6 years ago
    Quoted from pinballlooking:

    Good find.
    "Bally's fastest growing division by mid-year 1984 was Scientific Games. Because of the availability of essentially tamper-free electronic lottery machines, 18 states had lottery systems in place, with 20 more states considering the option."
    http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/bally-manufacturing-corporation-history/

    Just a quick FYI, that was from memory, not an internet search. Besides their on-line lottery systems,Scientific Games was the primary supplier of instant lottery tickets in the US at the time. They had recently opened a state of the art factory in Gilroy, California just prior to Bally buying them.

    #34 6 years ago

    you know what gripes me the most? for decades,pinball was labeled a gambling device that would corrupt the youth of america. then,just as pinball starts to get mainstream acceptance williams decide to make gambling devices and every arcade left in america is filled with redemption games wich imho is just gambling for kids.

    #35 6 years ago
    Quoted from mrgone:

    you know what gripes me the most? for decades,pinball was labeled a gambling device that would corrupt the youth of america. then,just as pinball starts to get mainstream acceptance williams decide to make gambling devices and every arcade left in america is filled with redemption games wich imho is just gambling for kids.

    This is one of the most astute observations I have read on this board. So true! Sadly though, the governments are all now very very very pro gambling (and that wasn't the case in the past). All the states have legalized gaming to some extent and they make money on it. Corrupt politicians make even more money on it. So, the government is probably happy teaching kids to gamble at young ages now.

    #36 6 years ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    Trivia time: Scientific Games, Inc. was once a division of Bally Manufacturing Corporation.

    In a sort of related question, did you work there when Bally owned there home system and sold to Astrovision or Astrocade. I remember old ads in Replay with Bally showing all they owned and even showing the pinball division, amusements, hotels and gambling. I think the fitness came later, its such a fascinating story even better thn how AT&T sort of got back together after all the mergers and buyouts with the baby bell SBC buying the old ATT

    Would really enjoy hearing how much space each division had and why Bally did what they did.

    #37 6 years ago

    Screw Williams. They abandoned the program. I have some of their games and I like them but the kudos go to the people who have struggled to keep us in pinball such as Stern, JJP, and JPOP.

    #38 6 years ago
    Quoted from kwiKimart:

    To me, if Williams came back to make pins, it would be like the Chargers winning the Super Bowl.

    WOW, so you really dislike Williams I guess...

    #39 6 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    WOW, so you really dislike Williams I guess...

    Haha Yeah. I'm not a Williams fanboy, but I LOVE their games.

    #40 6 years ago
    Quoted from mrgone:

    you know what gripes me the most? for decades,pinball was labeled a gambling device that would corrupt the youth of america. then,just as pinball starts to get mainstream acceptance williams decide to make gambling devices and every arcade left in america is filled with redemption games wich imho is just gambling for kids.

    A little different. But years ago, urban legend from the old gambling pinball days. People thought there were magnets in all pinball machines, to cheat the player.

    I don't know how many times I opened a game up to show people no such thing.

    And then Williams makes Gorgar, with a magnet. Right back to square one.

    LTG : )

    #41 6 years ago

    To me, if Williams came back to make pins, it would be like the Chargers winning the Super Bowl.

    Make it so!

    08picard.jpg th-1.jpeg

    #42 6 years ago

    There is a better chance of the Cubs winning the World Series than William getting back into the pinball business.

    #43 6 years ago
    Quoted from gweempose:

    There is a better chance of the Cubs winning the World Series than William getting back into the pinball business.

    I wouldn't go THAT far..

    #44 6 years ago
    Quoted from gweempose:

    There is a better chance of the Cubs winning the World Series than William getting back into the pinball business.

    Wait, you mean, there's a chance that the Cubs might with the World Series someday? Hmmm, who knew!?!

    #45 6 years ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    Trivia time: Scientific Games, Inc. was once a division of Bally Manufacturing Corporation.

    To complete the Trident of Coincidence: Scientific Games' legal adviser on the deal was Cleary Gottlieb.

    #46 6 years ago
    Quoted from gweempose:

    There is a better chance of the Cubs winning the World Series than William getting back into the pinball business.

    Agreed. And why would it matter anyway? Most of the designers, programmers and engineers are working with different companies. They sold their rights relating to pinball. They would be starting from scratch.

    #47 6 years ago
    Quoted from paul_8788:

    Agreed. And why would it matter anyway? Most of the designers, programmers and engineers are working with different companies. They sold their rights relating to pinball. They would be starting from scratch.

    no they wouldn't. have you seen their slots and stuff? they have no glasses 3D displays. They could do amazing things. But I doubt they will. they run a business, not a charity.

    And i think they could head-hunt any designer they wanted with the industry clout ($$) they have.

    #48 6 years ago

    Couldn't they do without all of the designers, etc if they were just to reproduce their old titles? Is that not possible because they sold off all of the rights?

    #49 6 years ago
    Quoted from Frax:

    Wow...unbelievable.

    Yup, played a WMS Funhouse slot when I was in south tahoe last weekend. It was there in the exact same spot as when I first found it two years ago.

    #50 6 years ago

    I wonder if the buyout will have any impact on current rights holders like Planetary Pinball?
    Jim

    Promoted items from the Pinside Marketplace
    $ 25.50
    $ 30.00
    From: $ 5,999.00
    Pinball Machine
    Monster Bash Remake Out of stock
    Flip N Out Pinball
    $ 39.99
    Eproms
    Matt's Basement Arcade
    $ 48.00
    Cabinet - Other
    ModFather Pinball Mods
    $ 149.99
    Lighting - Other
    Rock Custom Pinball
    $ 49.99
    Lighting - Led
    Comet Pinball
    $ 399.99
    Cabinet - Toppers
    Top-Notch Target Shields
    $ 12.50
    $ 159.99
    Lighting - Other
    Lighted Pinball Mods
    $ 999.00
    Flipper Parts
    Mircoplayfields
    $ 100.00
    Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
    G-Money Mods
    From: $ 99.99
    Cabinet - Other
    Lighted Pinball Mods
    $ 199.99
    $ 115.00
    Boards
    Little Shop Of Games
    $ 239.99
    Lighting - Led
    PinballBulbs
    $ 249.99
    Cabinet - Armor And Blades
    Great American Pinball
    From: $ 220.00
    Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
    CzTV Mods
    $ 75.95
    Cabinet - Shooter Rods
    Super Skill Shot Shop
    $ 269.00
    Displays
    Boston Pinball Company
    $ 39.00
    Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
    Lermods
    $ 84.95
    Cabinet - Shooter Rods
    Super Skill Shot Shop
    There are 53 posts in this topic. You are on page 1 of 2.

    Hey there! Got a moment?

    Great to see you're enjoying Pinside! Did you know Pinside is able to run thanks to donations from our visitors? Please donate to Pinside, support the site and get anext to your username to show for it! Donate to Pinside