Wizard of Oz &quot;KILLING IT!&quot; on location at Sharks Club in Howell, Michigan

Quoted from michiganpinball:
But many of the patron's at Marvin's are not pinball experts and will play the game for reasons other than us (looks cool, sounds cool, etc.).

That is what I hoped for the game. Like P2K for me. Brought in non pinball player money too. An attraction pin. That will make it a great earner.

LTG : )

#255 11 years ago

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Choggard

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Can't wait to play it...

#256 11 years ago

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vid1900

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Quoted from dgpinball:
In a perfect world, everyone would be hoping for JJP and WOZ to succeed,(except maybe for Stern)

I talked to Gary and he has no ill will towards JJP at all.

He is super happy that JJP allowed him to raise pin prices over $7000.

#257 11 years ago

HOW

hlaj78

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Monroe, MI

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Quoted from LTG:
I was wrong and am sorry.

LTG : )

No worries Lloyd. It's all good.

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#258 11 years ago

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jlm33

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Quoted from LTG:
That is what I hoped for the game. Like P2K for me. Brought in non pinball player money too. An attraction pin. That will make it a great earner.
LTG : )

Exactly! If we want a pinball renaissance, we need new players... does not matter if hardcore pinsiders don't like WOZ! What we want are new converts enjoying it (And I won't mind if these new players are gorgeous ladies...)

#259 11 years ago

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TigerLaw

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Quoted from vid1900:
I talked to Gary and he has no ill will towards JJP at all.
He is super happy that JJP allowed him to raise pin prices over $7000.

LMFAO vid! Dude, you are really in the wrong hobby...your talents/skills with wit belong in politics or some other form of satire. You could write for the Onion, no kidding.

#260 11 years ago

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dgpinball

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Quoted from dgpinball:
In a perfect world, everyone would be hoping for JJP and WOZ to succeed,(except maybe for Stern)

Quoted from vid1900:
I talked to Gary and he has no ill will towards JJP at all.
He is super happy that JJP allowed him to raise pin prices over $7000.

That's why I said "maybe"

#261 11 years ago

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chocky909

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London

12y 45,150 1,286 1 6

Quoted from Jvspin:
Yes, Exejet and Chocky have been two of the most vocal anti-WOZers, both purchasing then getting refunds early on. Now dumping on the game and JJP at every opportunity.
Back on topic. I thought pinball machines were put on test to work out bugs and to get an idea of earnings.
Didn't Williams do this to try and determine how many machines to make? Seems like you need to charge for this to be meaningful.
If WOZ is getting a good return from both pinheads and non-pinheads in it's current state, it tells Jack he probably has a hit and should anticipate ramping up production.
It also tells operators that may be waiting on the sidelines that it could be a good investment.

Quoted from Jvspin:
Not necessarily a bad move at all in my opinion. Those two just seem to have an axe to grind which makes it look like sour grapes or something.

I was just as vocal when I still had WOZ on order. I got a refund (no one in the UK was interested in taking over my preorder) because I didn't like the sound and the delays.

What you call sour grapes or an axe to grind is simply me being honest about the latest updates on a project I've been following since very early on. It's pretty pathetic that I get called a troll just because I point out things I don't like.

I really don't take it personally when WOZ owners attack my comments because they're just trying to protect their investments. But please don't lump me in with Exejet. That's really insulting.

#262 11 years ago

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vid1900

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Quoted from vid1900:
I talked to Gary and he has no ill will towards JJP at all.

I'm not joking, he really is just fine with JJP.

#263 11 years ago

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jarjarisgod

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Does the term "killing it" have a monetary value yet?

#264 11 years ago

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Exejet

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Quoted from jarjarisgod:
Does the term "killing it" have a monetary value yet?

That's the best part. No! When games make a total of a $100 a month before split $150 would be killing it. What business model works with a $5k pinball machine. I've got locations I can drop a $1500 NBAFB into and pull $100 month or drop a Pro Stern at $4k in the same location. Why drop the $4k machine in the location?? It makes no business sense and that's why all the Vendors are GONE!

#265 11 years ago

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vid1900

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Quoted from Exejet:
That's the best part. No! When games make a total of a $100 a month before split $150 would be killing it. What business model works with a $5k pinball machine. I've got locations I can drop a $1500 NBAFB into and pull $100 month or drop a Pro Stern at $4k in the same location. Why drop the $4k machine in the location?? It makes no business sense and that's why all the Vendors are GONE!

Yep, just like all the new "operators" learn:

You got 3 games taking in a total of $100 a week.

You add a 4th game.

Now you have 4 games, but still only take in a total of $100 a week.

Lesson: There is only so much money in a room.

#266 11 years ago

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Crash

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We must be very fortunate then. We have 5 pins on location at a laundromat and the games take in about $100-$200 a week. That also includes 2 video games but pinball is played the most by far. We seem to be seeing opposite effects.

#267 11 years ago

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vid1900

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Sometimes you get the right game in the right location with the right gang of players.

All the way until 2005 I had a Stargate video game that kept earning in the same bar for about $100-150 a week. For 25 years it just kept earning. I had replaced the monitor and power supply multiple times.

I had gradually increased the difficulty so the game played very fast and hard. Too hard for me to play, but the guys at the bar were used to it.

#268 11 years ago

LTG

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Quoted from vid1900:
Yep, just like all the new "operators" learn:

You got 3 games taking in a total of $100 a week.

You add a 4th game.

Now you have 4 games, but still only take in a total of $100 a week.

Lesson: There is only so much money in a room.

Truer words were never spoken.

Thank you.
LTG : )

#269 11 years ago

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roc-noc

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Rockford, IL

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WTF happened to this thread? Wasn't it about how well a WOZ test machine is doing on location at a buck 50 a game?

Or am I stuck in the twilight zone?

#270 11 years ago

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smokedog

Pokeys Pinball Cafe

Saskatoon, SK

13y 114K 2,561 14 9

Quoted from vid1900:
Yep, just like all the new "operators" learn:

You got 3 games taking in a total of $100 a week.

You add a 4th game.

Now you have 4 games, but still only take in a total of $100 a week.

Lesson: There is only so much money in a room.

I found this out very quickly. Even adding 'A' titles like MM and MB, the money just moves between machines.

I started with 2, then 3, now up to 5 at my location. Earnings have stayed the same.

I've had people say pull 2 and get another location. I reply, "But then I have to drink beers in two places, and taxi's are expensive!" I love my public man cave

#271 11 years ago

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jrivelli

TrueColor Protectors

Milwaukie, OR

11y 89,650 4,625 10 20

Quoted from vid1900:
I'm not joking, he really is just fine with JJP.

My public statements towards my competitors would be the same

Now to my wife, I lay it all out, which I'm sure he does.

#272 11 years ago

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jarjarisgod

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How did that cash box look after 1 week?

**crickets**

#273 11 years ago

LTG

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Quoted from jarjarisgod:
How did that cash box look after 1 week?

**crickets**

None of our business.

LTG : )

#274 11 years ago

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smokedog

Pokeys Pinball Cafe

Saskatoon, SK

13y 114K 2,561 14 9

I'm still waiting to see if JJP is going to do the profit sharing thing (emails sent, no reply). I would take a WoZ at my location if it did not cost me $7,500 + tax + shipping + brokerage.

Initially when I spoke with Jack he said it was going to happen. Nothing since.

Anyone have any inside info on this?

#275 11 years ago

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jarjarisgod

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Quoted from LTG:
None of our business.
LTG : )

*ahem*

Quoted from Benepinballs:
Just wait plenty will be up for sale. I would love to see
What killing it means coin wise in one week.

OP
Quoted from KOZ-MIPINBALL:
I will let you know this coming Monday when I do the week 1 collection
Koz

He opened the door. I'm merely walking through it.

#276 11 years ago

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Pinballmike217

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Naples, FL

11y 74,800 1,672

Quoted from smokedog:
I'm still waiting to see if JJP is going to do the profit sharing thing (emails sent, no reply). I would take a WoZ at my location if it did not cost me $7,500 + tax + shipping + brokerage.
Initially when I spoke with Jack he said it was going to happen. Nothing since.
Anyone have any inside info on this?

I have contacted Jack numerous times about getting a WOZ for my arcade. I guess he misplaced my number.
I wonder if he remembers what his first location was like. I'll bet his response would have been classic if a supplier told him to prepay for a machine two years before it was delivered.

#277 11 years ago

LTG

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Quoted from jarjarisgod:
He opened the door. I'm merely walking through it.

I stand corrected.

Normally I'd be right.

But you are correct in him posting that. Which I missed. I'm sorry.

LTG : )

#278 11 years ago

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jarjarisgod

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Quoted from LTG:
I stand corrected.
Normally I'd be right.
But you are correct in him posting that. Which I missed. I'm sorry.
LTG : )

No problem. Normally I would not ask either, but this is a special case given the circumstances.

#279 11 years ago

PEN

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Quoted from jarjarisgod:
No problem. Normally I would not ask either, but this is a special case given the circumstances.

Yeah, Whats up Koz. How is the take?

#280 11 years ago

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Choggard

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Did care for the WOZ when I played it at the Shark Club, yesterday..

#281 11 years ago

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TheLaw

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Quoted from Choggard:
Did care for the WOZ when I played it at the Shark Club, yesterday..

So it was good?

#282 11 years ago

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vid1900

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Quoted from Choggard:
Did care for the WOZ when I played it at the Shark Club, yesterday..

So you DID like it?

"did care for" is strange phrasing for this Ohio boy.

#283 11 years ago

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krupa

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Altoona, PA

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I used to care for my grandmother. Maybe this particular WOZ is senile and legally blind?

#284 11 years ago

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Choggard

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No, I didn't care for it.. Just had a weird feel to it..

#285 11 years ago

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Pinballmike217

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Naples, FL

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Quoted from Choggard:
No, I didn't care for it.. Just had a weird feel to it..

As compared to....?

#286 11 years ago

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Quoted from smokedog:
I found this out very quickly. Even adding 'A' titles like MM and MB, the money just moves between machines.
I started with 2, then 3, now up to 5 at my location. Earnings have stayed the same.
I've had people say pull 2 and get another location. I reply, "But then I have to drink beers in two places, and taxi's are expensive!" I love my public man cave

Depending on how invested you want to get, once you have 4+ games in a location you could start running regular tournaments. My friend installed 4 games at a location so I started running tournaments there every two weeks. The venue supported it with anywhere from four to ten $5 drink/app coupons depending on turn-out, and the game count grew to 6. We even held an ACDC launch party there. It worked out for everyone: OP, location owner and the local scene.

#287 11 years ago

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Choggard

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Quoted from Pinballmike217:
As compared to....?

My FH or any Williams/Bally/Stern game in the last 10 to 20 yrs..

#288 11 years ago

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vid1900

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Quoted from Choggard:
No, I didn't care for it.. Just had a weird feel to it..

That's cool.

Not every game is right for everybody (and that's a good thing).

#289 11 years ago

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Dockman

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I heard it played similar to TZ. You didn't think so?

#290 11 years ago

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StevenP

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Quoted from Choggard:
No, I didn't care for it.. Just had a weird feel to it..

But you just posted you DID care for it! Which is it? And if you don't, why did you post that you did first? I'm so confused....

#291 11 years ago

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Choggard

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Quoted from StevenP:
But you just posted you DID care for it! Which is it? And if you don't, why did you post that you did first? I'm so confused....

I meant to say I didn't care for it... Sorry for the confusion...

#292 11 years ago

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smokedog

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Saskatoon, SK

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Quoted from jonnyo:
My friend installed 4 games at a location so I started running tournaments there every two weeks.

The local league holds an event there every month.

#293 11 years ago

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Pinballmike217

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Quoted from Choggard:
I meant to say I didn't care for it... Sorry for the confusion...

That's really very interesting. JJP was going to use Bally flipper mechs for WOZ. It's surprising someone thinks it has a different feel from Bally games. I'm looking forward to trying a WOZ someday to see what the difference is.

#294 11 years ago

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jarjarisgod

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#295 11 years ago

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riggy469

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Quoted from Pinballmike217:
I'm looking forward to trying a WOZ someday to see what the difference is.

And you will, when you come to the unboxing party and help me move that beast into the basement!

#296 11 years ago

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.

No relation to this.....

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#297 11 years ago

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jarjarisgod

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