I remember someone on the JJP "team" (volunteer?) that called out a poster for publicly stating some issues with games in the field or location. It then turned into a personal dig of sorts or calling "BS" on the innuendo or existence of any of those problems / issues. That original poster then listed specific details which happens to mesh with recent posted problems.

I can see why some people will fire back when an exchange goes this way.
Trolling or not that does not change a series of events, if true.

It is a little funny to see some people praise even the 1st prototype WOZ as being the holy grail of any pinball machine past, present or future only to learn it has a few issues. Then its kind of switched around that the prototype games "have issues" and are not as good as the production machines and they will be better. Now some of those are shipping and having problems.

No harm / no foul and lots of people are working to fix issues, just don't shoot the messenger next time and if you are going to brag how great something it be prepared for some ribbing if or when it breaks down.

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I do not see these WOZ "drunk fanboys". I see critics creating a strawman. I see people excited about their games. The exception does not prove the rule. If you find one person who doesn't think the game has any issues, that may be their experience. It doesn't represent a majority of people who are "drunk on JJP promises."

Honestly, these "pinball wars" are getting really annoying. There are issues with every manufacturer and every game. Anybody who says otherwise should best be ignored, rather than engaged. And any guy who says, "XXX is the best pinball machine ever in the universe!" is just expressing *his personal opinion* and is not leading some kind of army of consumers who agree with him, so let's stop pretending otherwise.

The key is, once a problem is identified, does the manufacturer address it in a reasonable manner? There may be differences between how these companies treat their customers. That's worth noting.

To help ease your worrying.

JJP has a lot of parts in stock. A lot more coming. And building for the future.

They are continually working to improve what is going on. I was in the factory for four days a few weeks ago. And you'd be blown away from what I all saw.

And they have around a half dozen guys including Jack available to help with any problems that do come up. Including me.

I can't tell you to not worry. I can tell you that JJP is working hard to make their customers happy, like he always has. Just now on a bigger scale.

LTG : )
Official Disclaimer : I am on the team and answer the phone.

I have played two WOZ machines and they looked very cool, but the play had some issues that will likely be improved with updated code. From what I have read, there were some promises made by Jack that have not panned out. To me, these promises were an optimist planning to do his best and not a scam artist who never planned to try to fulfill them.

Instead of complaining about Alex and Lloyd responses/sweeping under rug etc. how about we take a step back and think - (1) we have a new pinball company that is hopefully going to produce good machines and (2) we have a new pinball company that cares enough that the guys involved are posting often and they hired one of the most well known and helpful troubleshooters in the business.

Mistakes will be made and machines will break, but as someone with no stake in the game, it looks like we have a bunch of people working hard to make a good product and provide quick responses to problems.

Early adopters in any industry usually recognize that the price of having the newest, coolest version of anything is often some time to work out unexpected kinks. Seems like that is what is going on here with much better than normal support in working out the kinks.

Yeah, like THAT will work!

You will need a lot more than a Dremel !

Please stay on topic and try to help the OP. No need to bicker.

I like you ***edited***....its amusing! I use it in an affectionate kind of way......total stiffs, same thing....... And I count myself as one, so they stand out to me....

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Deleted. No need to stir the pot here.

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Stop the bickering, it is not cool to call each other names.

Yeah well he called me a Dremel first!

Well, I got the call from Michelle at NAVL today. My WOZLE #158 will be delivered Wednesday. I sure hope it is one of the relatively trouble free examples. I wouldn't call myself a "Wozer" or "Non-Wozer" so my opinions expressed here will be honest. Now I gotta go buy one of those 8gb usb thingies because I don't think it has the newest code.

Call Jen and see, they should be able to tell you what code it shipped with.

LTG : )
Disclaimer : I think it did ship with newest.

It likely shipped with 1.14. Highly doubt it left with 1.12 unless it left 2 weeks ago and is coming via horse and buggy

Vicjw was NAVL cheaper for shipping then the company JJP usually uese (R&L i think)

Do you remember what day you ordered your ECLEWOZ?

Thanks

Congrats!

Yeah we bicker & whine but pretty much everyone here is looking forward to playing a WOZ.

Hope things go smooth for you too man.

Go to newegg.com or tigerdirect.com or ebay for damn near free USB thumb drives. Might as well order it tonight so it arrives when your game shows up.

I'm coming to Virgin to ride the Red Bull Rampage and S.G. for the Huntsman in October would you like me to bring my Dremel by for you. You could use it to sand down your fangs, almost every post in an attack.

Interested in knowing as well. My WOZECLE is from a March 2011 order so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for late a August / early September delivery. Congrats to the owner of #158 being on the way!

Sorry for not being clear. This was Skooter710's game he played a handful of times and decided to sell. He received it before code 1.14 was released. Shipping NAVL door to door with insurance from Chicago to L.A. was around $450. I wanted to get this game before a family reunion this Saturday or else I probably would have waited for a NIB. I'm not a big fan of pre-ordering but I'm grateful for all of you who did to make this pin possible and hope you get your games soon. I am very confident in the JJP team. LOTR and TSPP are two of my favorite pins so hopefully WOZ will be too.

Bullshit. So if he had posted some fluff stuff for 10 posts and then said something, somehow it would be relevant?

Cool, no need to bring yours ,I have one here . You should really call me when you are here and I will buy you lunch !

Yep...It's the internet...You start out with 0 credibility until a proven track record...Why that's so hard to grasp is beyond me.

Lloyd is the man... his Kung Fu is Strong!

There were others involved. Including dsd459.

LTG : )
Disclaimer : I'm just a small part of Team JJP

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Awesome ! LTG no longer needs a disclaimer !!

Crap, I forgot that. My air conditioner went out today and I'm pretty worn out from the heat

LTG : )
Official Disclaimer : To be determined.

Seriously LTG? There's something on this planet you can't fix?

Lets all chip in and get Lloyd a new window unit . It's damn hot out here on the east coast. Can't imagine its much better else where

My only suggestion though is to be prepared when you call for help. Owning a pinball machine does require some very basic knowledge of electronics and no pin owner should without even just a basic multimeter to take some readings when they ask for them.

You don't buy a car without a drivers license, don't buy a pin without the tools to fix them. If there is anything a machine does well it's break.

Yes, it would be conceited to think anybody knows everything. Me included.

LTG : )

Roof top please. Big one.

LTG : )

Lol that may be a tall order.

And being worn out, yes I should have worded that better. And I do apologize.

It should have read "it would be conceited of me to think I know everything and yes there are many things I can't fix".

Something more like that.

LTG : )
Official Disclaimer : Too hot to care.

I think a simpler fix to the sentence is "Yes, it would be conceited of me to think that anyone, including myself, knows everything."

Just trying to save you extra work in the heat! (It was HORRIBLE here today...)

It was 80 degrees with 35% humidity here in Eugene Oregon today

I'm in to help Lloyd with an air conditioner!

Chris

Ok, now take a minute to think about how many people there are with plenty of PKP and no actual credibility

It doesn't belong to Lloyd. He's in a rented retail space.

I'd be talking real nicely to the landlord.

PKP <> Track Record

You and I should get ours around the same time, I'm #848 from March 2011. I hope you are right about the possible delivery dates, that would work well for me

Lloyd,
Why don't you just go up on the roof and get a few shovel's full of snow? You're in Minnesooota, aren't you? JK

router?

All I'm getting at is that new people sign up, and it's xenophobic and paranoid to suggest that new members that have numbers in their names and no posts automatically have no credibility and/or can't possibly know what they're talking about.

Your first post in this thread illustrates this nicely. It's an antisocial welcome to a forum about grown men's toys that are supposed to be fun. You try to justify this attitude by mentioning 'track record'. The way I see it, yours is not currently improving.

I know that on the internet there are griefers, scammers, trolls, etc. But not everyone is one just because they're new. In this case, you're the one doing the trolling, and you contributed nothing to solving the OP's problem.

I'm glad to hear JJP was able to help this player get back to enjoying their game.

Having been in this hobby 12+ years and having been one of the early adopters of pinside, I've seen all sorts....I call them like I see them and make no apologies for that. You accuse me of jumping to some conclusions...Perhaps take a look at the history of my posts and see my contributions before calling me a troll. 95% of my posts are tech help. I'm quite tired of the whole Stern VS JJP that has taken a toll on pinside over the past 2 years, so when I see a new poster join and their first post is to complain about a new game just released, my radar goes on alert. If I'm wrong, and over time, the OP becomes a contributing member to Pinside, that's great. My guess, that won't happen. I'd loved to be proven wrong.

As for your comment, I haven't contributed anything to repairing the OP's problem, that's true...Neither have you. So, I'm out....Good day

typically in commercial leases the tenant is responsible for HVAC repair and replacement.

If I have a good tenant (pays on time, is fair etc), I contribute as LL.