It sounds to me like they're trying to use up their remaining cabs & parts. They probably have a bunch of mismatched stuff left over that doesn't quite fit for the existing editions.

It sounds to me like they made up their own "limited edition". It didn't sounds like the internal wireforms were green. So it looks like a standard with different armor, invisiglass, and a shaker.

So let's see...

Wizard of Oz:

Emerald City limited edition
Standard edition (with clearcoated cab)
Standard edition (decals on cab)
Ruby red 75th limited anniversary edition
Aussie Rescue Red edition
Limited Green edition

Have I missed any? Do the S/Ns of the new green games start with SPP?

Jersey "There is only one LE" Jack

Well, thank god it doesn't have that awful direct print cab the ECLEs had. I'd much prefer a decaled cabinet I can swap out. I always wanted a Smaug Edition WOZ.

I actually called as I thought they were ECLEs. They were made up to look like them but they are not the ECLE. They are there own LE. No wood apron.

I ended up purchasing a Ruby Red from a fellow pinsider.

I'm waiting for some nitwit to crawl out from under a rock and say that these will be the most valuable of the WOZ machines because of their rarity. Right about now, somebody with a RR75 is feeling duped.

FWIW, I stopped caring about all the extra LEs a long time ago... the fact I got my ecle for 6500 is good enough (and it's still the only one with the wood apron.. wooo)

These will be the most valuable of the WOZ machines because of their rarity!

I would be happy to buy someone's old unrare common WOZ ECLE for $6500 if someone were to feel the need to buy this Rare Newer Green Edition....

So it looks like it's a "special" Automated edition. There have been a few of those over the years. I can't recall exactly, but I was offered a bally/williams that I thought was a combo never offered from the factory, and it was an Automated limited run.

I do agree though...it's getting beyond a little silly. Was originally supposed to be standards and ECLE's only. Now there are standards, LEs, RRs, Greens...kind of takes away from the "special" aspect. If the "limited" run you wanted is sold out, just wait for the next "limited" run.

And just for the record, I owned a WoZ standard

It's ridiculous. I fear for the unsuspecting newbie who will be duped into buying this 'Frankenstein' game and will end up with something worth less than a standard when they go to sell it given no collector or hobbyist would want this. Jack made them take down the original title of 'Emerald City Green' and the picture of the EC topper. Myself and a number of other distributors who follow the rules are not happy to see this. It makes us all look bad. The WOZ is a great product - just sell the real game.

For those of you who want a REAL WOZ - PinballSTAR has the real Standard and 75th's IN STOCK. I'd love to blow out my remaining WOZ stock by Christmas as focus shifts to the Hobbit starting production this month. Give me a shout for discounted pricing.

Joe Newhart
PinballSTAR Amusements
[email protected]
570-357-0042

The picture isn't accurate as it has the ECLE apron as well in the picture which obviously these won't have.

Oops, at first glance, I thought it was pinballsales.com, not pinballs.com

Which edition was supposed to come with the topper that had the wizard and bowls of flame? The ECLE photos I'm seeing seem to have a topper with the emerald city.

I will give Jack a huge amount of credit for one thing... regardless of the edition, trim or whatever, ALL flavors of WOZ play exactly the same. No matter which one you buy, used or new, it's the same game, same rules, same shots. (I'm not counting the redemption bit as I consider that a separate upgrade product). I like that JJP is keeping that consistent through future games as well.

$9,495 looks like pat will have the first NIB to break $10,000

And it looks like it'll be my first opportunity to save 10k.

If I were you people, and you were interested in getting a WOZ, I'd get it from Joe at PinballStar. One of the nicest, most honest guys you can deal with (just look at all the machines he donates to childrens' hospitals).

Anybody that pays 9.5k for this fake-green piece of shit is a complete sucker. Get the RR from Joe and know that he'll back up your purchase with the best support out there.

... Or other legit distributors near you... Buddy in VA, Gary in MI, Jesse in IN, Chris in WI, and others I don't know as well. Support the guys who hump games to multiple shows all year long so everyone can play them...

Is Automated's Green Edition manufactured by JJP or is it assembled by Automated employees with some spare parts?

Doesn't Stern make special edition games for Automated as well since they are the largest stocking dealer of their machines?

Yes they have. I know they made a special SM run. I believe they also did a FYG rerun a few years back.

i can say that i do this. My personal Wizard of Oz has been brought to the Mad Rollin Pinball Charity event 2 years in a row now. I will be bring my personal WoZ and Hobbit (if i have it) to MGC also. A lot of work goes into be a distributor for a company. It not just get on the phone and sell a game. there are follow up calls, service calls, shows (allentown, expo, texas, midwest gaming, etc, etc) that machines have to be brought to, set up, maintained, and broken down. When i am at midwest gaming i am there working, not playing. Yes, there is reward to it, but many of you know me and know that i am not driving around in a new cadillac, or live in a mansion (yes, i do have my Harley, but it was purchased used, not new) I live modestly and enjoy what i do.

Support your local distributor, and they will support your local pinball community.

congratulations on the pickup tom. can't wait to beat you are your own game... maybe.

Ha, HA, HA we get it . You don't like JJP and you are upset with the one you have in your collection...let it go.

Trying to figure out if you're serious about this or not. I'm a HUGE JJP supporter and WOZ was the reason I got back into pinball. I LOVE that machine. This green version is a dog, though...and I don't quite get why you think I'm upset with mine when I'm telling people to get a RR75 from PinballStar. So...what up wid dat???

I just purchased one of these. Maybe I'm a sucker but it fit what I was looking for. I like the green more than other versions. I don't need an LE number. The market seemed to dry up lately and the prices I was seeing for used green LEs were close enough to this (after discount & great shipping rate) that I decided to go for it. I will be happy with a NIB Woz whatever version this is.

Also FYI, since I was worried about it, I called JJP. I spoke with both Jen & Jack and they both backed up that this was made at their shop just last month.

Who knows what the resale of this will entail, but I'm not buying it for that.

Congratulations and enjoy your game.

I am still unclear why many went out of their way to criticize this new model. It seems that this is a one off that Jack did for their largest dealer. Based upon all of the negative comments I thought it was a game that Automated did on their own with some spare parts they found lying around.

It's the constant smaller and smaller "LE" runs that JJP is doing. It's a bit of a slap in the face to early adopters that thought they were actually getting an LE. This time, it's like a near-beer version of an ECLE - right color, but really watered down. And all the talk about the value of the machines being valued more due to smaller runs are just wrong at this point. I don't think anybody cares what friggin' color or version they have anymore.

I'm always happy for somebody that gets a new machine and don't mean to detract from bkfiv's excitement at his purchase. But ALL pinball companies have to stop this bullshit of adding "new and limited" editions (like Stern did with the Luci, burning some premium buyers who would have preferred one of those).

Tell us what our buying options are up front so we can buy the machine we want and not feel like suckers down the road.

Can you post a pic of the topper? Thanks.

Curious, what does the topper look like?

EDIT: Taylor, I must have been reading your mind when writing my post.

Machine is being delivered Monday. Topper is being drop shipped so I'm not sure if it will arrive Monday or not.

They were pretty open to letting me get whatever topper I wanted. The one they planned on including was the all green one. I requested the one with the Fire on the sides though.

I agree with what you have said. However, an authorized dealer claimed that this version is somehow not a "real" game. It now appears that this version is very much a real game, but it is a game only one authorized dealer is able to provide. This was the reason for my confusion.

Well, one of two things is happening here. Either JJP made this one version for one distributor and screwed his other distros, or a bunch of distributors agree with me and think enough is enough with squeezing money out of different LEs and don't really want anything to do with this one. Either option sucks. Glad I got in before the drama.

Let me be clear on this: Great machine, no matter what f**king color it is.

Did you see the "custom topper"
Mentioned in the ad?

Yes but I wasn't familiar enough with the toppers I guess. I knew I liked the one from the ad better than the allotted green one they had. Maybe there's a new custom one out there & I don't know about it but it doesn't seem like it.

GreenWizard(2).JPG

This is the picture.

That's the topper that came with the standards.

Yeah, I wasn't interested in that. I guess I missed the customer topper clarification. I'll ask.

Lol.... actually maybe more than your two scenarios is happening here. The crap about Frankenstein'd games & price drop predictions from certain distributors & your bashing is the only drama I see here..... It's obviously not a WOZLE but more custom than a standard - so what....... Ain't no way in hell the resale will be less than a standard (imho)

With all the versions they have chugged out now, it doesn't matter what one you have really.
And it seems that the "limited editions" could actually be the most common, go figure.
It's not hard to see what the mfg are doing, they see all the pinside modders, and do what they do to make more $$$$
Every run can be slightly different, just to make em sell.

There's also the AU LE, which is identical to the EC LE but without the wood apron. Has the same direct print cab, green armour and topper with cups/WOZ head.

I don't see the big deal. It is not an LE, and it is just customized. Anyone can do that. As long as the customer is happy. Doesn't bother me one bit. Game play is the same, it's just cosmetics.

I'm bashing the ethics of it. And I'm right. It may be good for business in the short term, but it will hurt sales with loyal customers down the road.

Hey beelzeboob. You are the biggest cry baby on this site. All you do is go around and stir the pot!!! For those of us that have LE's there will never be another game made with all the details that make it and LE. Car makers have several models of the same car. Sears has several models of the same hand tools. How about giving JJP a break its called BUSINESS my friend he is not trying to hurt someone its BUSINESS. I was there when you made an ass of yourself at llyods show by using your cell phone to ask a question. Jared walked out of the room because of you You need meds!!!!

Let's keep the site about pinball and stop bashing the people that help support the hobby

Mayboyz

This somehow doesn't excite me one way or the other. All WOZ machines have the same number of flippers, playfields, etc. so they all can be pretty much enjoyed equally. Congrats on your purchase!

...and you need a sense of humor. You show your inexperience here calling me a crybaby. I'm the furthest thing from it. Welcome to Pinside.

BTW...a year ago, I was accused of being a JJP fanboy. Now I'm a crybaby. Time to pay homage to RobT:

Be a big boy and take your dress off. Support the hobby and stop looking for ways to stir trouble